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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'd say we're both right. The GOP leadership is trying to pass the buck and leave the country's rise or fall squarely on the backs of the Democrats and the President. IMO, they'd be abdocating the very fiscally responsible conservatism they petitioned for to win the midterm elections. Moreover, McConnells stupid "fallback plan" in my view is a disgrace to his oath to uphold the Constitution and would be no different than the alledge underhanded dealings the GOP blamed the Dems for doing in passing health care reform.

    Take responsibility for the mess you helped create and stop worrying more about your political profile than the true faith and credit and soveriegnty of the nation!
    There's definitely nothing I can disagree with in that post. How dare you!!
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'd say we're both right. The GOP leadership is trying to pass the buck and leave the country's rise or fall squarely on the backs of the Democrats and the President. IMO, they'd be abdocating the very fiscally responsible conservatism they petitioned for to win the midterm elections. Moreover, McConnells stupid "fallback plan" in my view is a disgrace to his oath to uphold the Constitution and would be no different than the alledge underhanded dealings the GOP blamed the Dems for doing in passing health care reform.

    Take responsibility for the mess you helped create and stop worrying more about your political profile than the true faith and credit and soveriegnty of the nation!
    They are an embarrassment.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

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    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The proper strategy for Obama to pursue here, if he wants to accomplish anything, is not to waste time negotiating w/the GOPers, but rather to dig up politically compromising information on them (i. e. is Boner boning someone else other than his wife? What about mcconnell?) and then use it as a threat to extort what we wants. I fail to understand why Obama, w/the spying resources of the NSA, has yet to compile an extramarital affairs database on all GOP pols.

    Or if Obama doesn't want to do that, he should deal directly with the GOPerpols' sponsors. boner, mcconnell, etc. are working for them only, so why bother discussing things w/the employee instead of the employer?
    I find it very interesting that you would refer to this tactic as "proper."
    I think I should have said it's the civilized strategy.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

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    your link:



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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    The auseterity measure don't work as well in Europe because many more people in those countries are dependent on the government for their existence. There are a lot of politicians in this country wanting us to head the same way. That is why they don't want to roll back government spending. Austrerity is a hinderance to their poltical power.
    Sure, Western European politicians, in order to get elected, promised programs which would make a majority of the citizenry dependent on their governments and these same politicians, in order to get re-elected, promised ever more program for "the ordinary people", which in turn created ever more dependent 'ordinary people'.

    Now we see the 'ordinary people' rioting in the streets of Europe because the promises made were false, just as false as the something for nothing promises most politicians everywhere make in order to get elected. The honest ones who don't make these promises are defined as being in the pockets of the rich, uncharitable, greedy and rapacious, while these same ordinary people demand that others, 'the rich', give them their money, never seeing the hypocrisy in their own words. It is they who are never satisfied but who always want more.

    Unscrupulous politicians always use Hope, Change and a free ride theme, every last one of them,. and always spoken as though this time it really, really is true. And there will always be those poor dum buggers who believe them.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    I don't like that the President has veto power or executive signing authority. Congress should never have given him those powers.

    Congress represents the People and if congress cannot come to a solution about the debt ceiling then the People have effectively spoken.

    That's on paper though. In reality, congress is infested by cronies and obstructionists who are only there to serve themselves. I think we need to fire the traitorous lot of them and replace them with fresh candidates who understand what it means to do what's best for the nation.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't like that the President has veto power or executive signing authority. Congress should never have given him those powers.
    Congress didn't provide either. Veto power is granted by the Constitution, signing statements have no "power" in and of themselves.

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    Re: McConnell Offers 'Backup' US Debt Limit Plan

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The US govt. is a plutocracy and doesn't have to answer to the people.
    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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