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Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

it seems to me if THEY can't send out SS checks then WE don't need to pay into it anymore right? so this would automatically cut our taxes right? oh but THEY rely on that money for purposes other than what it's intended for! well maybe we should cut what we are spending THAT money on that is NOT for it's original intent FIRST!!!
 
Boo Radley said:
Time for some honesty here. You know as well as I do that the real problem with tax hikes are that they are unpopular. Period. Obama has to play to the political realities every bit as much as republicans do.
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precisely, he wants something unpopular, but he doesn't want to take the heat for it, especially if it goes badly.

i get that.

that's why I wrote at the beginning that I would be willing to raise taxes on the upper income earners.

in return for Ryan's Medicare Proposal.

Quid Pro Quo :mrgreen:
 
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Ikari said:
It's not that it's unsolvable or that the President can't have an effect. It's more to do with the fact that everyone has slumped down into partisan politics and are playing to protect their party instead of the Republic. In theory, this could have been solved a long time ago and Obama could have had some amount of effect. But they don't move in a direction that would actually solve it. Both sides are just posturing and pointing fingers. As I said, I would expect that at the last minute they'll try to actually pass something to try to save face. Both sides will claim victory and then attack the other side for obstructionist behavior.
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I knew it would come down to a statement about two parties. Maybe if I was a purist libertarian, I might see it different. But the problem is, you folks are not getting many elected. You can't stay on the sidelines pointing one finger at the D and the other at the R, just bitch. You have to get involved one side or the other, or just be quiet. Playing the middle or just standing on the outskirts accomplishes nothing. We all know about partisanship and what's going on, you (as a group) are not telling us anything we don't know.
 
X Factor said:
So? For once someone objects to raising taxes. Good for them.

Because he's spent more in a shorter time than any other president. Duh. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to call others dense, eh?
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He had to spend in order to stabilize the crap economy that Bush left him. You think Republicans don't spend? Are you forgetting the 2 wars, the Medicare drug plan, and the Bush tax cuts for the rich, none of which were paid for? ANd who passed TARP? Here's a hint, it wasn't Obama. Maybe you should just quit at this point. You lose.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
You're the one with the burden of proof. PROVE to me Obama had anything to do with any of that stuff. You come up with some list from some site, without anything to back it up. Where's the proof? Why don't the democrats push all those issues if they are so good for Obama? Why is some hack site from some hack member of a political forum the only place they're mentioned?

*crickets*

And yes, I'm going to bed. IVE GOT A JOB, AIN'T IT NICE? I'm closing on a house next week, you gotta job to? I doubt it, considering your some pansy on a political forum at almost midnight! LOL What a joke.
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Listen, you smarmy little hack. I don't have burden of proof. I posted the list of accomplishments. Prove that Obama is not responsible. That's on you. Those accomplishments happened on Obama's watch. Therefore, he gets credit. Just like you give him credit for the bad, he gets credit for the good. Pull your ****ing head from your ass-gape and you might understand that.

ANd who the **** are you to accuse me of having no job? I've had the same ****ing job for the last 11 years. Now sit down you clueless hack. I'm this close [holding my fingers about a half inch apart - about the size of your dick] to putting your dense ass on ignore.
 
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Redress said:
Just once, can you not put words into my mouth in a conversation? Just once? Seriously, reply to what I say, and not what you wish I had said which you can actually somehow maybe counter a little bit.
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I knew you were going to say something like this. It's why I bolded the part of your post that I did.

Redress said:
Yes I am concerned about spending. However, playing games like this with something that can have large negative impact on many Americans is not the way to do it, and pointing out that we would not have had to do this if conservatives actually cared about the debt when republicans are president is a perfectly valid point to make.

There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. This is the wrong way.
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Now, tell me how the bolded part does not mean that we wouldn't even have a debt crisis if it weren't for the Republicans.
 
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Sgt Meowenstein said:
He had to spend in order to stabilize the crap economy that Bush left him.
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Good grief. I can't believe you actually buy this. Don't know why I should be surprised. Obama's said it, therefore it must be true. :roll:

You think Republicans don't spend? Are you forgetting the 2 wars, the Medicare drug plan, and the Bush tax cuts for the rich, none of which were paid for? ANd who passed TARP? Here's a hint, it wasn't Obama. Maybe you should just quit at this point. You lose.
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I lose because you're pointing out something irrelevant? I love it when liberals point to that prescription drug plan. If Dems had done it, you'd be lauding it as this great compassionate thing. If it weren't for double standards, you would have any standards at all. :roll:
 
Sgt Meowenstein said:
Listen, you smarmy little hack. I don't have burden of proof. I posted the list of accomplishments. Prove that Obama is not responsible. That's on you. Those accomplishments happened on Obama's watch. Therefore, he gets credit. Just like you give him credit for the bad, he gets credit for the good. Pull your ****ing head from your ass-gape and you might understand that.

ANd who the **** are you to accuse me of having no job? I've had the same ****ing job for the last 11 years. Now sit down you clueless hack. I'm this close [holding my fingers about a half inch apart - about the size of your dick] to putting your dense ass on ignore.
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I get what you're doing. You're trying to get yourself thread-banned so you don't have to make up inane responses any more. LOL
 
X Factor said:
I knew you were going to say something like this. It's why I bolded the part of your post that I did.



Now, tell me how the bolded part does not mean that we wouldn't even have a debt crisis if it weren't for the Republicans.
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Where my words that complex? Does pointing out that one set of people did not solve a problem mean they are solely responsible for a problem? This is not rocket surgery, it's really not that hard to figure out.
 
Redress said:
Where my words that complex? Does pointing out that one set of people did not solve a problem mean they are solely responsible for a problem? This is not rocket surgery, it's really not that hard to figure out.
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"rocket surgery" I think I like that metaphor. :)
 
Redress said:
Where my words that complex? Does pointing out that one set of people did not solve a problem mean they are solely responsible for a problem? This is not rocket surgery, it's really not that hard to figure out.
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Nope, your words are not complicated at all. You're saying there would be no debt crisis were it not for Republicans. Doesn't that suggest that Dems would not be irresponsible about spending if it were solely up to them? Besides, the GOP is actually trying to do something about it now. Something real. Seems like if you're saying Reps have shirked their responsibility before, you'd actually give them credit for actually trying to deal with the problem now. Instead, you resent them for it.
 
X Factor said:
Nope, your words are not complicated at all. You're saying there would be no debt crisis were it not for Republicans. Doesn't that suggest that Dems would not be irresponsible about spending if it were solely up to them? Besides, the GOP is actually trying to do something about it now. Something real. Seems like if you're saying Reps have shirked their responsibility before, you'd actually give them credit for actually trying to deal with the problem now. Instead, you resent them for it.
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And again you are trying to add to what I say, since you cannot actually argue against what I said. It's cheap and dishonest, but if it's all you can do, nothing I can do to help I guess.
 
Yes, Obama lies. What do you expect, he's a politician. And yeah, the economy's in the toilet, but I'm not blaming the black guy. He's actually not bad, as presidents go. What the heck has Obama done so far? I don't expect much good out of any of them, they're all working for the same corpocracy. Dem - repub is just the old two-man con...or maybe Good Cop - Bad Cop, when you consider that the economy was in the toilet already from Dubya's looting and decades of Reaganomics. The lesser evil is still an evil, but I'll take it over the GOP any time.

*makes popcorn in preparation for watching angry repubs write nasty posts because I have disrespected Reagan Christ* :lol:
 
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Redress said:
And again you are trying to add to what I say, since you cannot actually argue against what I said. It's cheap and dishonest, but if it's all you can do, nothing I can do to help I guess.
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I'm asking. If you didn't mean that we wouldn't have a debt crisis but for the GOP, what did you mean?
 
stelz said:
Yes, Obama lies. What do you expect, he's a politician. And yeah, the economy's in the toilet, but I'm not blaming the black guy. He's actually not bad, as presidents go. What the heck has Obama done so far? I don't expect much good out of any of them, they're all working for the same corpocracy. Dem - repub is just the old two-man con...or maybe Good Cop - Bad Cop, when you consider that the economy was in the toilet already from Dubya's looting and decades of Reaganomics. The lesser evil is still an evil, but I'll take it over the GOP any time.

*makes popcorn in preparation for watching angry repubs write nasty posts because I have disrespected Reagan Christ* :lol:
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I'm just curious what Obama's race has to do with this. What are you suggesting?
 
Redress said:
Yes I am concerned about spending. However, playing games like this with something that can have large negative impact on many Americans is not the way to do it, and pointing out that we would not have had to do this if conservatives actually cared about the debt when republicans are president is a perfectly valid point to make.

There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. This is the wrong way.
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X Factor said:
I'm asking. If you didn't mean that we wouldn't have a debt crisis but for the GOP, what did you mean?
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I meant exactly what I said. No need to spin or add to those words.
 
X Factor said:
Ok, well, the conservatives care now, so better late than never.
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Except they don't seem to actually care. This is the exact wrong way to say "I care". What will happen if the US defaults? No one knows for sure. The experts cannot even agree. The people in congress sure as hell do not know. So playing games with the debt increase is not showing they care(hint: I am not claiming that democrats are any better on this, to forestall your trying to make that stupid charge), it's showing a willingness to risk the US economy for political power(again, republicans are not alone in this to forestall your trying to spin that lie about my words).

Trying to claim "they are now" when everything they are doing in this is showing a complete lack of caring is the saddest attempt at spin ever.
 
there is no way we default if we go past Aug 2. we have literally more than ten times the revenue necessary to avoid such an event. we would have a partial government shut down. not a default.
 
Redress said:
Except they don't seem to actually care. This is the exact wrong way to say "I care". What will happen if the US defaults? No one knows for sure. The experts cannot even agree. The people in congress sure as hell do not know. So playing games with the debt increase is not showing they care(hint: I am not claiming that democrats are any better on this, to forestall your trying to make that stupid charge), it's showing a willingness to risk the US economy for political power(again, republicans are not alone in this to forestall your trying to spin that lie about my words).

Trying to claim "they are now" when everything they are doing in this is showing a complete lack of caring is the saddest attempt at spin ever.
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What you have done here is create facts where they are none and then rail against people because they note that what you have posted are not facts but opinion.

There are many articles posted here explaining why not raising the debt limit does not mean we will default. That people do not care for your "opinion" might be correct.
 
1Perry said:
What you have done here is create facts where they are none and then rail against people because they note that what you have posted are not facts but opinion.

There are many articles posted here explaining why not raising the debt limit does not mean we will default. That people do not care for your "opinion" might be correct.
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And there are many articles that say there will be repercussions. You do not know(you might think you do, but you don't), cpwill does not know, I do not know, and no one else knows for sure what will happen. People with a whole lot more knowledge than you, me or cpwill think bad things could happen. They have real evidence to point to. Casually ignoring that because it does not fit in with your views is foolish.
 
that is true - whether the bond markets go nuts or not (i think there are several powerful reasons they won't and only one weak reason that they might) is anyones' guess. "bad things happening" is not "default".
 
Redress said:
And there are many articles that say there will be repercussions. You do not know(you might think you do, but you don't), cpwill does not know, I do not know, and no one else knows for sure what will happen. People with a whole lot more knowledge than you, me or cpwill think bad things could happen. They have real evidence to point to. Casually ignoring that because it does not fit in with your views is foolish.
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But yet you'll ignore the things that do not fit your views. Sorry, admonishment from those who do what they complain about isn't worth much.
 
1Perry said:
But yet you'll ignore the things that do not fit your views. Sorry, admonishment from those who do what they complain about isn't worth much.
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Really? Where have I done this? Feel free to point them out.
 
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