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Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

You see, your brain is blindly siding with a concept that you will defend it no matter the cost.

This is blind irrational hate towards a man simply because of his views. I am talking to Obama. It is factual that he was sworn into office during a systemic meltdown. That is what I was saying, and I was saying it to compliment my original post. Funny how to poke at the first sentence, but you don't touch anything else that I said.

You are just the same as KKK, or the Nazi's. You will blindly hate no matter what evidence is thrown your way. Rationality has been replaced with irrationality.
 
snilloctjc said:
I think it would be more accurate to say we blame a man WHO CAMPAIGNED to be in this position. He knew the stakes, he knew the situation yet continued to run for the office. Let us not forget his "I'm suspending my campaign to go back to DC and meet with President Bush on the economic crisis. He did not go into this blind.
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He -did- run as The Secular Messiah.
He had 2 years with a Dem Congress that he could not get to pass much of anything w/o a fight - in terms of His campaign platform, what has He accomplished?
 
haymarket said:
Direct your questions on the details to the Department of Labor c/o Washington DC.

I gave you the official stats kept regardless who was president. First year - Obama - stimulus package. Look it up.

So as you can see, I did NOT make it up. I gave you official stats.
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So in 6 months Obama stopped the bleeding? How?


Please to explain.

Personally I think the numbers just topped off, and nothing Obama did had any effect.
 
sookster said:
It isn't an escape or an excuse, it is factually what happened.

Blindly hate the man if you wish, it doesn't mean it is rational.
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When does the Buck stop with Obama? What date is it no longer the previous adminsitrations fault?
 
sookster said:
You see, your brain is blindly siding with a concept that you will defend it no matter the cost.
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That's the general view that the Dems have toward The Obama, yes.
The liberals? The honest ones have been distancing themselves for some time.

This is blind irrational hate towards a man simply because of his views.
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Yes - because no one shoud be hated simply because of His views.

It is factual that he was sworn into office during a systemic meltdown.
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Better than two years ago. His plan to save us has failed and has only made things worse.
He now seeks to blame the current issue on the unwillingness of the GOP partisans to compromise, all the while clearly illustrating that He is also unwilling to compromise.
But hey - keep blaming GWB.

You are just the same as KKK, or the Nazi's.
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Wait... you hate these people simply because of their views?

You will blindly hate no matter what evidence is thrown your way.
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You will blindly defend...
 
You still have not talked about what I said originally. The fact that we have a system at all, is due to the administration's act on the system, giving 700 billion to The Fed in order to bailout institutions whose failure would bring too high of systemic risk.

Again, let me say it again and again. We have a system right now. The fact that you are saying that Obama promised so much unemployment is thanks to his actions in saving our current system.
 
sookster said:
You still have not talked about what I said originally. The fact that we have a system at all, is due to the administration's act on the system, giving 700 billion to The Fed in order to bailout institutions whose failure would bring too high of systemic risk.

Again, let me say it again and again. We have a system right now. The fact that you are saying that Obama promised so much unemployment is thanks to his actions in saving our current system.
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You will blindly defend...
 
sookster said:
You still have not talked about what I said originally. The fact that we have a system at all, is due to the administration's act on the system, giving 700 billion to The Fed in order to bailout institutions whose failure would bring too high of systemic risk.

Again, let me say it again and again. We have a system right now. The fact that you are saying that Obama promised so much unemployment is thanks to his actions in saving our current system.
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In the case of the Fed - If I am not mistaken their initial actions were pretty much taken independently. "Our system" was informed of the decision after the fact.
 
My God....

The Fed came to key members of Congress and told them what I said earlier. Do you think that news is kept from the President? If you follow the turn of events, the original bill was refused in The House. The majority of policy makers as well as the general population did not know the current state of affairs.

The next time it went to the house, it was passed. Did Obama have everything to do with it? No. Did he have nothing to do with it? That is a no either. As people have stated, he started studying what was going on at the very beginning, he understood that The Fed required 700 billion dollars.

Blindly defending is not blindly hating. I am defending people that spew out ignorance just because he thinks what he thinks. They don't examine the contents of facts, they see he is a liberal democrat, and automatically spew irrationalities to no end.
 
donsutherland1 said:
IMO, some of the comments about the debt ceiling, especially among radio hosts such as Mark Levin (who is openly championing a failure of negotiations), are surreal. The political denial in Washington is also quite surreal.

Major fiscal consolidation is necessary and inevitable. Indeed, one fund manager argued that a U.S. default is a matter of time.

Increasingly, the only real question is whether the U.S. fiscal consolidation program will be something the U.S. has latitude to shape when market conditions remain relatively benign/interest rates abnormally low or something that will essentially be imposed when a crisis is imminent or underway. The former approach would allow for a transition to mitigate the macroeconomic and social pain. The latter would require wrenching choices and little or no transition. The former could be feasible with smaller sacrifices. The latter would require much larger ones, due to higher interest rates/reduced long-term growth prospects, and prevailing negative psychology. The sooner credible action is undertaken, the less likely a crisis would be. Little or no credible action over the next few years could well provide the invitation to a crisis.

Finally, if I were evaluating U.S. credit risk (and it's probably a good thing that I'm not), I would probably put the U.S. under review for a possible ratings downgrade if no debt ceiling deal is reached in the next 7-10 days. Then, beyond a debt ceiling-modest fiscal consolidation agreement, in order to preserve the AAA rating, I would be looking for progress with respect to two criteria over the next 6-12 months:

1. Construction of a balanced and credible fiscal consolidation strategy, with a credible upfront component. Mandatory spending and Tax Code changes would both be needed for the longer-term. Spending-driven consolidation should, consistent with empirical literature on successful consolidation efforts, exceed revenue measures by a > 2-to-1 margin. Moreover, tax measures should be focused broadly not narrowly.

2. Evidence that the U.S. is undertaking steps to address what is now a political dysfunctionality problem.

Failure to begin laying out a credible fiscal consolidation strategy would leave the nation on its present unsustainable fiscal course. Failure to begin addressing the political dysfunctionality problem would raise questions about the credibility of U.S. fiscal commitments and the capacity to shape/implement/sustain a fiscal consolidation strategy.
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When, if ever, is the last time in history that a "true" spending cut at a congressional budget level occurred? When was the last tax hike (or revenue raiser for word gamers) that occurred?
 
sookster said:
Blindly defending is not blindly hating. I am defending people that spew out ignorance just because he thinks what he thinks. They don't examine the contents of facts, they see he is a liberal democrat, and automatically spew irrationalities to no end.
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Or, more appropriately, they don't examine the contents of facts, they see He is a liberal democrat, and automatically defend Him whithout end.
 
I wasn't avoiding. I was dealing with exceptionally stupid people.

The first step that he did was push a 700 billion dollar budget through congress to The Fed. This bill was a field day especially to the conservatives, simply because they viewed it as a government take over. The true state of the economy was not shared with everyone in office, it was only known by a select few. The bill failed the first time in the house, and I'm sure Obama pulled plenty of strings to get it to pass.

The Fed is independent, however they probably kept the president in the loop. The Economic Stimulus package probably seems to be a complete failure, however I feel that the package was that of psychiatric medicine. Medicine can not prevent episodes, but it can decrease the severity and length of one. That is what the purpose of the package was. To put a band aid if you will on a gouging wound.

I am not saying he is perfect. All I am saying is people give him so much heat and it is ill informed. I feel if it weren't for him and his actions, our world would be a world of anarchy and complete chaos. If the world financial system failed, who knows what would of happened. Also, it should be noted that it could still fail. The same economists that predicted the house bubble are now predicting that the dollar is going to collapse by the end of this year. Their solution is to go back to a standard, either by gold or some sort of resource.

Who knows what will happen. But the fact that you are typing on a computer in a controlled society is thanks to that man.
 
sookster said:
I wasn't avoiding. I was dealing with exceptionally stupid people.
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Ad hom, the final resting place of those with nothing useful to say.

What you fail to recognize - willfully, it appears - is that every single charge you level at those to oppose The Obama can be equally well-applied to those like you that defend Him.

Few things bear this out better than the argument that the -GOP- is unwilling to compromise regarding the debt limit.
 
I couldn't care less what you have to say. Continue in spewing your irrationality. Don't care.
 
sookster said:
I couldn't care less what you have to say. Continue in spewing your irrationality. Don't care.
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Thank you for you interest in national issues. :lamo
 
sookster said:
I wasn't avoiding. I was dealing with exceptionally stupid people.

The first step that he did was push a 700 billion dollar budget through congress to The Fed. This bill was a field day especially to the conservatives, simply because they viewed it as a government take over. The true state of the economy was not shared with everyone in office, it was only known by a select few. The bill failed the first time in the house, and I'm sure Obama pulled plenty of strings to get it to pass.

The Fed is independent, however they probably kept the president in the loop. The Economic Stimulus package probably seems to be a complete failure, however I feel that the package was that of psychiatric medicine. Medicine can not prevent episodes, but it can decrease the severity and length of one. That is what the purpose of the package was. To put a band aid if you will on a gouging wound.

I am not saying he is perfect. All I am saying is people give him so much heat and it is ill informed. I feel if it weren't for him and his actions, our world would be a world of anarchy and complete chaos. If the world financial system failed, who knows what would of happened. Also, it should be noted that it could still fail. The same economists that predicted the house bubble are now predicting that the dollar is going to collapse by the end of this year. Their solution is to go back to a standard, either by gold or some sort of resource.

Who knows what will happen. But the fact that you are typing on a computer in a controlled society is thanks to that man.
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If it were someone other than Obama, we'd likely be in the same place we are now. Still be at over 9% unemployment, still would be hoping that perhaps maybe the government would do its job and perhaps make a budget and take care of matter of State. In the end, government has not done a good job with the recession or getting help to those who need it. It's been a partisan bitch fest and the most likely thing is that they'll try to squeeze something through at the last moment in order to save face. Bastards.
 
sookster said:
You guys blame a man that was put into this situation. Sure, he passed a 700 billion package, but the true purpose of that bill was to save what little he could.

If you take any basic political science course, and you study the polls of presidents, you will find the same trend. They start in high favor, only to follow to disgust of the president. The worst in history was President George Busch Jr. This relationship can be best summed up by former President Clinton during a Letterman or Leno interview, I can't remember which one. He basically said the hardest part about being the President, is trying to balance the promises of your campaign with the reality of the world. You see, presidential candidates don't receive the black folder of the President. After they go through the highly competitive campaign, do they see the facts of our world. As pretty much every President has shown, the reality of the world requires them to go against promises.

And so, to the current presidency. Law makers were literally summoned one Friday afternoon, and were told that if they didn't sign over 700 billion to The Fed, there wouldn't be a financial system. Wall Street works lightyears faster than Washington, and eventually they signed the 700 billion dollar bill, but it was probably too late. Frankly, if you consider the events that unfolded, I feel the administration has done a fantastic job to at least keep what we have. Sure, the future of it is still unknown, but at least now we have a system to fight for.

The strategy of the stimulus bill I feel wasn't progressive enough. If you are going to go one route, I say do it all the way. They based the strategy after The New Deal during The Depression. The problem is, times change as well as technology and such. The best investment we as a country could of done with the stimulus package were to create new "green" jobs, in order to provide the infrastructure we are going to need in the year 2014-2015. It has been predicted that in those years, the amount of energy required to extract oil will be more than the energy collected. This is why it is a dire situation, that we must invest in alternative energies NOW.

The reason why as you guys put it, Obama is threatening Grandma and Grandpa wasn't his fault. If you were to blame any body, blame Wall Street for their unethical view of buy low and sell high at no matter the cost. It was the greed of wall street that threatens people's retirement, not Obama.

I view Obama's presidency as a destruction control presidency. He was handed the hard job of trying to do his best to preserve what we have. In my mind, he did a brilliant job. With wall street functioning many years faster than the real world, we are able to debate over a system that is still there.
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Excellent post, and not to mention; insurance companies have been threatening grandma, grandpa, and anybody with a pre-existing condition, not to mention the critically ill, for as long as they've been in existence. They're more than happy to dump a hospital bill the size of a phone book on a person's head and say "ewps, sorry; you didn't read clause 17 indemnity 3 page 278, obviously. We sent you a magnifying glass and everything!"
 
BDBoop said:
Excellent post, and not to mention; insurance companies have been threatening grandma, grandpa, and anybody with a pre-existing condition, not to mention the critically ill, for as long as they've been in existence. They're more than happy to dump a hospital bill the size of a phone book on a person's head and say "ewps, sorry; you didn't read clause 17 indemnity 3 page 278, obviously. We sent you a magnifying glass and everything!"
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This is the reason you excuse Obama for lying in an attempt to scare seniors and veterans?
 
American said:
When, if ever, is the last time in history that a "true" spending cut at a congressional budget level occurred? When was the last tax hike (or revenue raiser for word gamers) that occurred?
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That the choices required to achieve credible fiscal consolidation are difficult does not spare policy makers from their responsibility to deal with those issues. If they fail to make the tough choices, or if they choose to transform a major policy challenge into a theological debate, they are responsible for the consequences of their choice. The credit ratings agencies should rate U.S. prospects based on fundamentals, not sentiments or legacy.

I agree with Moody's placing the U.S. on review for a possible credit rating downgrade yesterday evening. I also agree with its definition of a credible agreement's producing "a deficit trajectory that leads to stabilization and then decline in the ratios of federal government debt to GDP and debt to revenue beginning within the next few years." The so-called "Grand Bargain" that Speaker Boehner and President Obama were moving toward agreement on would have met that test. I'm not sure that what is finally agreed will actually meet that test, even as it averts an immediate crisis.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
This is the reason you excuse Obama for lying in an attempt to scare seniors and veterans?
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I don't see why we should be surprised to see government scare tactics. They do it a lot. How much was sold to us because the big bad terrorist was going to get us? The government loves fear tactics. Fear will keep them in line...fear of this battlestation.
 
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