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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    The Good President will have to let Old People, Disabled people STARVE because of the damned dirty GOP.

    Starve you hear, STARVE.
    Since when do you care about old people and the disabled? Oh let me guess, since it fits you to have an understanding of a well working society?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when do you care about old people and the disabled? Oh let me guess, since it fits you to have an understanding of a well working society?
    Of course he cares. He fought tooth and nail against death panels!
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    Of course he cares. He fought tooth and nail against death panels!
    You mean the ones run by the insurance companies?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean the ones run by the insurance companies?
    The ones republicans used to scare old people with. The ones run by insurance companies for profit are of course good ones, so probably are actually called "life panels" by conservatives.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The ones republicans used to scare old people with. The ones run by insurance companies for profit are of course good ones, so probably are actually called "life panels" by conservatives.
    You mean, like scaring old people by saying they might not get their SS checks?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    You mean, like scaring old people by saying they might not get their SS checks?
    So you do see the hypocrisy I was pointing out.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The ones republicans used to scare old people with. The ones run by insurance companies for profit are of course good ones, so probably are actually called "life panels" by conservatives.
    I have to backtrack here a bit because something just occurred to me. If insurance companies already have death panels, then why wouldn't the government also have them when/if they get into the health care business? Do you know which insurance denies more claims than any other? It's Medicare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you do see the hypocrisy I was pointing out.
    Well hypocrisy always cuts two ways, if the GOP is hypocritical for criticizing Obama's scare tactic (the substance of which is also patently untrue, BTW), Obama's just has hypocritical for using it in the first place. And, if the Dems are not going to criticize Obama for using a scare tactic, then they're hypocritical for criticizing only Republicans for doing it. Really, this could go on ad infinitum.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I have to backtrack here a bit because something just occurred to me. If insurance companies already have death panels, then why wouldn't the government also have them when/if they get into the health care business? Do you know which insurance denies more claims than any other? It's Medicare.
    You're assuming that all government-run healthcare systems will necessarily work like Medicare. Not all government-run systems are even necessarily social insurance systems to begin with. In lieu of actually knowing the details of how a particular government-run healthcare program works, the worst you can really say about any single-payer healthcare system is that it rations care and that there will be lines and waiting lists. Of course, in this country we already have rationing by default.

    Well hypocrisy always cuts two ways, if the GOP is hypocritical for criticizing Obama's scare tactic (the substance of which is also patently untrue, BTW), Obama's just has hypocritical for using it in the first place. And, if the Dems are not going to criticize Obama for using a scare tactic, then they're hypocritical for criticizing only Republicans for doing it. Really, this could go on ad infinitum.
    It's not. He said, he can't guarantee that if the debt ceiling isn't raised, that SS checks will go out after August 2nd. In fact, if the debt ceiling isn't raised, there's really little ANYONE can guarantee at this point.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Depends on the death panel. The phrase originated with Palin claiming that end of life counseling would lead to death panels. This was false.[1] In trying to justify what she said, conservatives claimed her comment was actually about deciding what was being covered by Medicare, but again, all insurance then has such death panels.

    By the way, what insurance plan covers the most people in this country?

    Onto this issue: It is not "patently untrue" that SS checks could be at risk[2]. No one knows for sure. It is unlikely to be the case that the first moths checks will not go out, but not 100 % impossible. I would still call Obama's comments a "scare tactic" and dislike such tactics.

    However, the point being that those complaining loudest about this being a scare tactic are those who actually backed Palin's claims about "death panels".

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    [1]Palin: "The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's death panel so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

    [2] Source: PolitiFact | Barack Obama said Social Security and other federal checks may not go out on Aug. 3 if the debt ceiling is not increased
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You're assuming that all government-run healthcare systems will necessarily work like Medicare.
    Not sure it matters as far too many Federal programs are filled with fraud and abuse.

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