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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by stelz View Post
    Yes, Obama lies. What do you expect, he's a politician. And yeah, the economy's in the toilet, but I'm not blaming the black guy. He's actually not bad, as presidents go. What the heck has Obama done so far? I don't expect much good out of any of them, they're all working for the same corpocracy. Dem - repub is just the old two-man con...or maybe Good Cop - Bad Cop, when you consider that the economy was in the toilet already from Dubya's looting and decades of Reaganomics. The lesser evil is still an evil, but I'll take it over the GOP any time.

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    I'm just curious what Obama's race has to do with this. What are you suggesting?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes I am concerned about spending. However, playing games like this with something that can have large negative impact on many Americans is not the way to do it, and pointing out that we would not have had to do this if conservatives actually cared about the debt when republicans are president is a perfectly valid point to make.

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    I'm asking. If you didn't mean that we wouldn't have a debt crisis but for the GOP, what did you mean?
    I meant exactly what I said. No need to spin or add to those words.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I meant exactly what I said. No need to spin or add to those words.
    Ok, well, the conservatives care now, so better late than never.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ok, well, the conservatives care now, so better late than never.
    Except they don't seem to actually care. This is the exact wrong way to say "I care". What will happen if the US defaults? No one knows for sure. The experts cannot even agree. The people in congress sure as hell do not know. So playing games with the debt increase is not showing they care(hint: I am not claiming that democrats are any better on this, to forestall your trying to make that stupid charge), it's showing a willingness to risk the US economy for political power(again, republicans are not alone in this to forestall your trying to spin that lie about my words).

    Trying to claim "they are now" when everything they are doing in this is showing a complete lack of caring is the saddest attempt at spin ever.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    there is no way we default if we go past Aug 2. we have literally more than ten times the revenue necessary to avoid such an event. we would have a partial government shut down. not a default.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Except they don't seem to actually care. This is the exact wrong way to say "I care". What will happen if the US defaults? No one knows for sure. The experts cannot even agree. The people in congress sure as hell do not know. So playing games with the debt increase is not showing they care(hint: I am not claiming that democrats are any better on this, to forestall your trying to make that stupid charge), it's showing a willingness to risk the US economy for political power(again, republicans are not alone in this to forestall your trying to spin that lie about my words).

    Trying to claim "they are now" when everything they are doing in this is showing a complete lack of caring is the saddest attempt at spin ever.
    What you have done here is create facts where they are none and then rail against people because they note that what you have posted are not facts but opinion.

    There are many articles posted here explaining why not raising the debt limit does not mean we will default. That people do not care for your "opinion" might be correct.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    What you have done here is create facts where they are none and then rail against people because they note that what you have posted are not facts but opinion.

    There are many articles posted here explaining why not raising the debt limit does not mean we will default. That people do not care for your "opinion" might be correct.
    And there are many articles that say there will be repercussions. You do not know(you might think you do, but you don't), cpwill does not know, I do not know, and no one else knows for sure what will happen. People with a whole lot more knowledge than you, me or cpwill think bad things could happen. They have real evidence to point to. Casually ignoring that because it does not fit in with your views is foolish.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    that is true - whether the bond markets go nuts or not (i think there are several powerful reasons they won't and only one weak reason that they might) is anyones' guess. "bad things happening" is not "default".

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And there are many articles that say there will be repercussions. You do not know(you might think you do, but you don't), cpwill does not know, I do not know, and no one else knows for sure what will happen. People with a whole lot more knowledge than you, me or cpwill think bad things could happen. They have real evidence to point to. Casually ignoring that because it does not fit in with your views is foolish.

    But yet you'll ignore the things that do not fit your views. Sorry, admonishment from those who do what they complain about isn't worth much.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    But yet you'll ignore the things that do not fit your views. Sorry, admonishment from those who do what they complain about isn't worth much.
    Really? Where have I done this? Feel free to point them out.
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