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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    You would do humanity a favor by decomposing. Your body is truly more valuable than your mind.
    The ad hom - final refuge of those that cannot make or defend a point.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not that it's unsolvable or that the President can't have an effect. It's more to do with the fact that everyone has slumped down into partisan politics and are playing to protect their party instead of the Republic. In theory, this could have been solved a long time ago and Obama could have had some amount of effect. But they don't move in a direction that would actually solve it. Both sides are just posturing and pointing fingers. As I said, I would expect that at the last minute they'll try to actually pass something to try to save face. Both sides will claim victory and then attack the other side for obstructionist behavior.
    What I find truly ghastly is that the proposals they have - $2T/10 yrs, $4T/10 years - are so incredibly inconsequential across the greater scheme.
    We need something on the order of $10T/10 yrs to have any real effect.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post

    The Obama is unwilling to compromise on tax hikes.
    This is every bit as uncompromising as the GOP unwillingness to compromise on tax hikes.
    There's no intellectually honest way to argue otherwise - but, I am sure you'll try.
    You can't seriously be this dense. Obama not taking tax hikes off the table is not an unwillingness to compromise. He offered up 4 trillion in cuts. He asked for tax hikes in return. That's called negotiating. Stop being obtuse. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.


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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    He -did- run as The Secular Messiah.
    He had 2 years with a Dem Congress that he could not get to pass much of anything w/o a fight - in terms of His campaign platform, what has He accomplished?
    What has he accomplished? Here you go:

    25 Tax Cuts Passed By Obama & Democrats[3]
    Individuals

    “Making Work Pay” tax credit
    Earned Income Tax Credit increased
    Increased Eligibility for Refundable Portion of Child Credit
    “American Opportunity” Education Tax Credit
    First-time Home Buyer Credit
    Temp. Suspension of Taxation of Unemployment Benefits
    Tax Credits for Energy-Efficient Improvements to Existing Homes
    Sales Tax Deduction for Vehicle Purchases
    Premium Credits for COBRA Continuation Coverage for Unemployed Workers
    Economic Recovery Credits to Recipients of Social Security, SSI, RR Retirement, and Veterans Disability Compensation Benefits
    Computers as Qualified Education Expenses in 529 Education Plans
    Plug-in Electric Drive Vehicle Credit
    Tax Parity for Transit Benefits
    Health Coverage Tax Credit Expansion
    Small Business

    Extension of Enhanced Small Business Expensing
    5-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses for Small Businesses
    Extension of Bonus Depreciation
    Exclusion of 75% of Small Business Capital Gains from Taxes
    Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief
    Temporary Reduction of S Corporation Built-In Gains Holding Period from 10 Years to 7 Years
    Other Business

    Advanced Energy Investment Credit
    Tax Credits for Alternative Refueling Property
    Work Opportunity Tax Credits for Hiring Unemployed Veterans and Disconnected Youth
    Delayed Recognition of Certain Cancellation of Debt Income
    Election to Accelerate Recognition of Historic AMT/R&D Credits
    Fun Fact: 1/3 of the $862 billion stimulus was for tax cuts, something Republicans claim to support … although they still stand against stimulus. I suppose it depends on who gets the tax cuts.

    Women’s Rights
    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
    Protection against pay discrimination
    Restores interpretation of Title VII of Civil Rights Act that protected women and other workers
    Financial Rights
    Credit CARD Act
    Prevents retroactive rate increases
    Requires companies to provide 45 days notice before changing rates and other contract provisions
    Additional restrictions placed on fees
    Prevents companies from taking advantage of students
    Ends unfair double-cycle billing practices
    Financial reform bill
    Establishes Consumer Financial Protection Bureau which seeks solely to ensure financial institutions are being fair to consumers, and improvement in the simplicity in contracts
    Prevents taxpayer bail out of financial institutions
    Allows the GAO to audit the Federal Reserve
    Various mortgage and derivatives reform, etc.
    Education
    Student loans[1]
    Ends “socialistic” federal subsidies to banks and other financial institutions (Interestingly, Republicans are okay with the kind of socialism that redirects taxpayer money to banks and other financial institutions.)
    Eliminates unnecessary “middle-man” in student loan process, which placed financial burden on taxpayers while banks took in profits
    Annual student loan payment capped at 10% of income
    Saves an estimated $61 billion over 10 years
    Health Care
    Children’s health insurance bill[2]
    CBO said bill will allow states to cover more than four million uninsured children by 2013, in addition to seven million already covered
    Requires states to provide dental and mental illness coverage to children
    Tobacco regulation
    Provides graphic warnings on tobacco use risks
    Restricts advertising to prevent marketing to minors
    Health care reform
    Insurers cannot cancel coverage when a person gets sick
    Requires health insurance corporations to cover preexisting conditions
    Eliminates lifetime limits
    Allows insurance purchase across state lines
    Allows young adults to stay on parents’ health insurance policy until 26
    Crime & Civil Rights
    Hate crime legislation[4]
    Provides protection for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people
    Tribal Law and Order Act
    Provide additional means to reduce high rates of violent crime, including rape & sexual assualt within Native American reservations
    View the rescuetruth.com post on the Tribal Law and Order Act
    Other
    The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
    Expands service and voluteer opportunites
    Benefits education, health care, energy, etc.
    Stimulus
    Cash for Clunkers successfully contributed to 680,000+ vehicle sales in summer 2009
    Largest clean energy investment ever made
    Reduced deficit by $122 billion[5]
    Reduced federal spending by 2%[5]
    What didn’t get passed because of Republican obstructionism?
    Health Care for 9/11 Emergency Responders
    DISCLOSE Act (transparency in elections, specifically campaign financing)
    Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal
    Removal of $75 million cap on oil spill payouts
    Elimination of tax incentives for companies shipping American jobs overseas, and creation of tax incentives to businesses bringing jobs home

    42+ Democratic Accomplishments You May Not Know About | rescue truth.


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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I wasn't avoiding. I was dealing with exceptionally stupid people.

    The first step that he did was push a 700 billion dollar budget through congress to The Fed. This bill was a field day especially to the conservatives, simply because they viewed it as a government take over. The true state of the economy was not shared with everyone in office, it was only known by a select few. The bill failed the first time in the house, and I'm sure Obama pulled plenty of strings to get it to pass.

    The Fed is independent, however they probably kept the president in the loop. The Economic Stimulus package probably seems to be a complete failure, however I feel that the package was that of psychiatric medicine. Medicine can not prevent episodes, but it can decrease the severity and length of one.
    really.






    yeah. it seems to have worked real well....

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    What has he accomplished? Here you go:
    Not to mention:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...crumbling.html

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You can't seriously be this dense. Obama not taking tax hikes off the table is not an unwillingness to compromise. He offered up 4 trillion in cuts. He asked for tax hikes in return. That's called negotiating. Stop being obtuse. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
    Absolutely, if Obama was serious he'd start by proposing a 50% budget cut in defense spending. You are also advocating serious cuts in defense spending aren't you?










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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    You can't seriously be this dense. Obama not taking tax hikes off the table is not an unwillingness to compromise. He offered up 4 trillion in cuts. He asked for tax hikes in return. That's called negotiating. Stop being obtuse. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.
    what that tells me is that obama thinks cutting ANY SPENDING is a sacrifice

    which shows what an absolute ass he is

    why is he trying to derail things with tax hikes

    Are you saying there are NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CUT?



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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    What has he accomplished? Here you go:
    Wow! No wonder our deficits are exploding.

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