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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    You guys blame a man that was put into this situation. Sure, he passed a 700 billion package, but the true purpose of that bill was to save what little he could.

    If you take any basic political science course, and you study the polls of presidents, you will find the same trend. They start in high favor, only to follow to disgust of the president. The worst in history was President George Busch Jr. This relationship can be best summed up by former President Clinton during a Letterman or Leno interview, I can't remember which one. He basically said the hardest part about being the President, is trying to balance the promises of your campaign with the reality of the world. You see, presidential candidates don't receive the black folder of the President. After they go through the highly competitive campaign, do they see the facts of our world. As pretty much every President has shown, the reality of the world requires them to go against promises.

    And so, to the current presidency. Law makers were literally summoned one Friday afternoon, and were told that if they didn't sign over 700 billion to The Fed, there wouldn't be a financial system. Wall Street works lightyears faster than Washington, and eventually they signed the 700 billion dollar bill, but it was probably too late. Frankly, if you consider the events that unfolded, I feel the administration has done a fantastic job to at least keep what we have. Sure, the future of it is still unknown, but at least now we have a system to fight for.

    The strategy of the stimulus bill I feel wasn't progressive enough. If you are going to go one route, I say do it all the way. They based the strategy after The New Deal during The Depression. The problem is, times change as well as technology and such. The best investment we as a country could of done with the stimulus package were to create new "green" jobs, in order to provide the infrastructure we are going to need in the year 2014-2015. It has been predicted that in those years, the amount of energy required to extract oil will be more than the energy collected. This is why it is a dire situation, that we must invest in alternative energies NOW.

    The reason why as you guys put it, Obama is threatening Grandma and Grandpa wasn't his fault. If you were to blame any body, blame Wall Street for their unethical view of buy low and sell high at no matter the cost. It was the greed of wall street that threatens people's retirement, not Obama.

    I view Obama's presidency as a destruction control presidency. He was handed the hard job of trying to do his best to preserve what we have. In my mind, he did a brilliant job. With wall street functioning many years faster than the real world, we are able to debate over a system that is still there.
    Excellent post, and not to mention; insurance companies have been threatening grandma, grandpa, and anybody with a pre-existing condition, not to mention the critically ill, for as long as they've been in existence. They're more than happy to dump a hospital bill the size of a phone book on a person's head and say "ewps, sorry; you didn't read clause 17 indemnity 3 page 278, obviously. We sent you a magnifying glass and everything!"

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Excellent post, and not to mention; insurance companies have been threatening grandma, grandpa, and anybody with a pre-existing condition, not to mention the critically ill, for as long as they've been in existence. They're more than happy to dump a hospital bill the size of a phone book on a person's head and say "ewps, sorry; you didn't read clause 17 indemnity 3 page 278, obviously. We sent you a magnifying glass and everything!"


    This is the reason you excuse Obama for lying in an attempt to scare seniors and veterans?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    When, if ever, is the last time in history that a "true" spending cut at a congressional budget level occurred? When was the last tax hike (or revenue raiser for word gamers) that occurred?
    That the choices required to achieve credible fiscal consolidation are difficult does not spare policy makers from their responsibility to deal with those issues. If they fail to make the tough choices, or if they choose to transform a major policy challenge into a theological debate, they are responsible for the consequences of their choice. The credit ratings agencies should rate U.S. prospects based on fundamentals, not sentiments or legacy.

    I agree with Moody's placing the U.S. on review for a possible credit rating downgrade yesterday evening. I also agree with its definition of a credible agreement's producing "a deficit trajectory that leads to stabilization and then decline in the ratios of federal government debt to GDP and debt to revenue beginning within the next few years." The so-called "Grand Bargain" that Speaker Boehner and President Obama were moving toward agreement on would have met that test. I'm not sure that what is finally agreed will actually meet that test, even as it averts an immediate crisis.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    This is the reason you excuse Obama for lying in an attempt to scare seniors and veterans?
    I don't see why we should be surprised to see government scare tactics. They do it a lot. How much was sold to us because the big bad terrorist was going to get us? The government loves fear tactics. Fear will keep them in line...fear of this battlestation.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    When does the Buck stop with Obama? What date is it no longer the previous adminsitrations fault?
    Oo! Oooh! <raises hand> I know! Pick me! Oooh!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If it were someone other than Obama, we'd likely be in the same place we are now. Still be at over 9% unemployment, still would be hoping that perhaps maybe the government would do its job and perhaps make a budget and take care of matter of State. In the end, government has not done a good job with the recession or getting help to those who need it. It's been a partisan bitch fest and the most likely thing is that they'll try to squeeze something through at the last moment in order to save face. Bastards.
    So either this is unsolvable, or the President has no effect on these issues.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I couldn't care less what you have to say. Continue in spewing your irrationality. Don't care.
    Your really ARE in your own little world - aren't you?
    Fact of the matter, you know there's no way to dispute the content of my posts - and so you won't even try.
    Keep on defending The Obama - your masters are proud!

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    You would do humanity a favor by decomposing. Your body is truly more valuable than your mind.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I wasn't avoiding. I was dealing with exceptionally stupid people.

    The first step that he did was push a 700 billion dollar budget through congress to The Fed. This bill was a field day especially to the conservatives, simply because they viewed it as a government take over. The true state of the economy was not shared with everyone in office, it was only known by a select few. The bill failed the first time in the house, and I'm sure Obama pulled plenty of strings to get it to pass.

    The Fed is independent, however they probably kept the president in the loop. The Economic Stimulus package probably seems to be a complete failure, however I feel that the package was that of psychiatric medicine. Medicine can not prevent episodes, but it can decrease the severity and length of one. That is what the purpose of the package was. To put a band aid if you will on a gouging wound.[

    I am not saying he is perfect. All I am saying is people give him so much heat and it is ill informed. I feel if it weren't for him and his actions, our world would be a world of anarchy and complete chaos. If the world financial system failed, who knows what would of happened. Also, it should be noted that it could still fail. The same economists that predicted the house bubble are now predicting that the dollar is going to collapse by the end of this year. Their solution is to go back to a standard, either by gold or some sort of resource.

    Uhm I asked you when the buck stops with Obama, This is not an answer.



    Who knows what will happen. But the fact that you are typing on a computer in a controlled society is thanks to that man.


    Really? So without Obama we would have reduced ourselves to an anarchic state, one without any computers?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So either this is unsolvable, or the President has no effect on these issues.
    It's not that it's unsolvable or that the President can't have an effect. It's more to do with the fact that everyone has slumped down into partisan politics and are playing to protect their party instead of the Republic. In theory, this could have been solved a long time ago and Obama could have had some amount of effect. But they don't move in a direction that would actually solve it. Both sides are just posturing and pointing fingers. As I said, I would expect that at the last minute they'll try to actually pass something to try to save face. Both sides will claim victory and then attack the other side for obstructionist behavior.
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