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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Unfortunately, there is no leap whatsoever. If one listened to his show on Monday evening, he was making the argument that concerns about not raising the debt ceiling amount to "Chicken Little" arguments, there would be no catastrophe, and that not raising it would amount to a "new July 4," a "day of liberation." Unfortunately, his website does not include the full transcript of his commentary.
    BDBoop was kind enough to provide a link to the broadcast in his post.

    I believe you are misrepresenting Levin's position. He's not "championing a failure in negotiations" and isn't advocating that we maintain the debt ceiling at its current level. He's urging Republicans to stand firm to their committment of reducing the size of government. He's urging Republican leaders to not budge on its "no new taxes" pledge and to not be swayed by Obama's insistence that unless taxes are raised, the economy will collapse, there will be no social security checks, etc.

    He's saying... call Obama's bluff. Stand firm. Don't cave. Don't raise taxes. Should Obama push the issue past Aug 2nd... Again, stand firm, don't cave. Life will suck, but we can get through it even if it takes a month of sacrifice.

    He's calling Aug 2nd liberation day because - if the Republican leadership holds firm - come hell or high water we'll start to turn the clock back on spending.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    So, here we are in major financial crisis. Some propose cutting across the board cuts of 43%. This would include SS and military pay.

    Setting aside the human issues involved in this for the time being, look at the negative impact that would have at the retailers and grocers doors. This would also reduce sales tax income and so on.

    Welcome to the third world America.

    State and local governments would be forced to either shut down or scale back to most painful degrees.

    Now we have very angry, very hungry people on the streets and in all probability severely reduced police forces.

    Welcome to Anarchy America.
    NOT a problem. As long as Obama doesn't get re-elected.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    So, here we are in major financial crisis. Some propose cutting across the board cuts of 43%. This would include SS and military pay.
    Setting aside the human issues involved in this for the time being, look at the negative impact that would have at the retailers and grocers doors. This would also reduce sales tax income and so on.
    Welcome to the third world America.
    State and local governments would be forced to either shut down or scale back to most painful degrees.
    Now we have very angry, very hungry people on the streets and in all probability severely reduced police forces.
    Welcome to Anarchy America.
    Your argument is that ~$1500B in government spending is all that keeps the US from turning into Mexico, complete with food riots?
    I cannot -possibly- laugh any louder.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    if you think about it, this republican demand, "dollar for dollar," does not really balance

    the 2.4T advanced to the govt is relatively NOW, borrowing to get us thru the next 18 months

    the 2.4 trillions cut are over ten years

    the math is one thing, ie, who cares

    except the little pair of inequalities above is starting to rumble thru a really disgusted house republican caucus

    i can tell you, there will be no raising of the debt ceiling unless substantially more is offered the neanderthals

    that's the lay of the land

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Some propose cutting across the board cuts of 43%.
    Neither party to the negotiations determining our course of action is making any such proposal. While it may be fun to entertain the possibilities of such a direction, they have little bearing on reality.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    BDBoop was kind enough to provide a link to the broadcast in his post.

    I believe you are misrepresenting Levin's position. He's not "championing a failure in negotiations" and isn't advocating that we maintain the debt ceiling at its current level. He's urging Republicans to stand firm to their committment of reducing the size of government. He's urging Republican leaders to not budge on its "no new taxes" pledge and to not be swayed by Obama's insistence that unless taxes are raised, the economy will collapse, there will be no social security checks, etc.

    He's saying... call Obama's bluff. Stand firm. Don't cave. Don't raise taxes. Should Obama push the issue past Aug 2nd... Again, stand firm, don't cave. Life will suck, but we can get through it even if it takes a month of sacrifice.

    He's calling Aug 2nd liberation day because - if the Republican leadership holds firm - come hell or high water we'll start to turn the clock back on spending.
    Urging an unyielding theological line of no compromise whatsoever is exactly a championing of a failure to reach agreement. One cannot separate the consequences from the choice. Choices have consequences. Mr. Levin knows full well that a complete refusal to compromise will lead to a failed negotiation.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    I stated that Obama should run on facts and statistics. I said this in post 182

    FACT: the rate of growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% higher under the previous president than it has been under President Obama. He has slowed the speeding unemployment freight train down mightily compared to the out of control pace of his predecessor.
    The rev did not believe me and accused me of making it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post

    I'll wait.

    Actually, no, I won't wait, you made that up.





    yes Obama should run on facts and statistics.
    Let us look at the official US Labor Dept unemployment numbers.

    here is the Obama record on unemployment compared with the record of the man before him - George Bush

    When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%

    Bush was four times worse in the growth rate for unemployment than President Obama.
    that translates into a rate of growth in unemployment at over 400% greater than the same rate for Obama.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Neither party to the negotiations determining our course of action is making any such proposal. While it may be fun to entertain the possibilities of such a direction, they have little bearing on reality.
    Your reading comprehension in this thread is fail. Try to go back and read the thread so you can keep up.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Let us look at the official US Labor Dept unemployment numbers.

    here is the Obama record on unemployment compared with the record of the man before him - George Bush

    When George Bush entered office in Jan of 2001, the unemployment rate was 4.2%.
    When he left in Jan of 2009, it was 7.6%.
    That is an increase of 81%.

    When Barack Obama entered office in Jan of 2009, the unemployment rate was 7.6%.
    The latest figure for this May was 9.1%.
    That is an increase of 19%

    Bush was four times worse in the growth rate for unemployment than President Obama.
    that translates into a rate of growth in unemployment at over 400% greater than the same rate for Obama.



    Did you factor in those who stopped looking? 17% Sorry man, Obama has failed and I hope he really does run on his "Facts" and "stats"......


    Oh yeah, and what did Obama do that 1st year that slowed it down? Specifically.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Urging an unyielding theological line of no compromise whatsoever is exactly a championing of a failure to reach agreement. One cannot separate the consequences from the choice. Choices have consequences. Mr. Levin knows full well that a complete refusal to compromise will lead to a failed negotiation.
    Regardless of who refuses to comprimise. Right?

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