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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So August third, there is no money? o.O
    Only the amount that is covered by tax revenue, rather than borrowing. Which will mean an immediate 43% cut in government spending.

    How about Obama stop holding the country hostage for his tax increases and rampant spending.
    Come on, at least some conservatives have ATTEMPTED to answer my question (albeit all of the solutions I've seen have been unworkable, impractical, or insufficient). If it's just "scare tactics" for Obama to suggest that there might not be enough money for seniors, soldiers, veterans, AND to service the debt...then surely YOU have a list of ways where we're going to cut 43% of the budget in the next three weeks without affecting any of those programs. Or at least something in the same ballpark as 43%.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    You would lose on "facts and figures"


    Fact, there is higher unemployment than 4 years ago.
    Well then, lets look at the first one on your list:

    FACT: the rate of growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% higher under the previous president than it has been under President Obama. He has slowed the speeding unemployment freight train down mightily compared to the out of control pace of his predecessor.

    That is indeed a winning fact that the American people should be informed about.

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    Are you referring to the 48% of American voters who did NOT vote for this President?
    Actually, some of them might be participating in the war on the working class but not all or even most of them.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yeah, shame on me for agreeing with what you just said yourself in the previous post.



    Because the debt limit doesn't actually curb the size of our debt, as I mentioned in my previous post. It's just a club that the opposition uses to embarrass the in-party and occasionally extract concessions. And normally that would be fine, except every time it happens we run the risk of someone pushing brinkmanship too far and not being able to reach an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. That's why I'm supportive of the proposal that Mitch McConnell put forward yesterday.
    Big difference between me and you.....I vote against raising the debt ceiling, you vote in favor of repealing it altogether. What that means: I get it. You don't.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

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    from the rev



    Well then, lets look at the first one on your list:

    FACT: the rate of growth in the unemployment rate was over 400% higher under the previous president than it has been under President Obama. He has slowed the speeding unemployment freight train down mightily compared to the out of control pace of his predecessor.

    That is indeed a winning fact that the American people should be informed about.



    Link to evidence of this?

    I'll wait.

    Actually, no, I won't wait, you made that up.





    yes Obama should run on facts and statistics.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Big difference between me and you.....I vote against raising the debt ceiling, you vote in favor of repealing it altogether. What that means: I get it. You don't.
    Really it just means that you think the debt ceiling accomplishes something that it doesn't. Whereas I'm fully aware of the way that it ACTUALLY works. To paraphrase conservative humorist P.J. O'Rourke (talking about a different issue), the national debt is like a bathroom scale. You might not like the number that you see, but it is what it is. You can't just pass a quick-fix law to cap it. It doesn't work that way.

    If we want to reduce our debt-to-GDP ratio, we'll need to look at entitlement reform, tax reform, and defense cuts to put our country on a sustainable long-term fiscal path. What doesn't work and never has is to simply declare that we're going to stop borrowing money, effective immediately.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Really it just means that you think the debt ceiling accomplishes something that it doesn't. Whereas I'm fully aware of the way that it ACTUALLY works.
    Your own president voted against raising the debt limit in 2006. I am in agreement with him, it should not be raised.

    Case closed.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Your own president voted against raising the debt limit in 2006. I am in agreement with him, it should not be raised.
    Exactly my point. Everyone in Congress uses the debt ceiling as a way to bludgeon the in-party when they're in the opposition, but everyone understands the reality that it must be raised. Essentially, whichever party doesn't control the White House views the debt ceiling as "the other side's problem," and they won't provide any votes for raising it unless they have to. Therefore I suggest that we just get rid of it entirely. Bludgeoning the political opposition may or may not be important, but it's substantially less important than the danger that we could default on our debt.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Only the amount that is covered by tax revenue, rather than borrowing. Which will mean an immediate 43% cut in government spending.
    To give you an idea, thats how much the gov't would need to cut JUST TO LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS. That's NOT saving a dime.

    If you don't think spending is out of control, then you're a lost cause.

    Immediate 43% spending cut? I like the sound of that!

    You truly have no clue how the world works. Your wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling is proof of that. You already admit we can't pay our debts, if we appear irresponsible (which Obama is already seen as) financially on the world financial market, don't you think we're going to get screwed when countries realize our debt is way beyond our means to pay it off? Do you really have a clue? Honestly? I have a feeling you've never taken an economics course in college. You ever even been to college?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    To give you an idea, thats how much the gov't would need to cut JUST TO LIVE WITHIN ITS MEANS. That's NOT saving a dime.

    If you don't think spending is out of control, then you're a lost cause.
    I didn't say spending wasn't a problem; I said that not raising the debt ceiling is a foolish way to cut spending. We need to reform entitlements, change our tax code, and cut defense spending.

    Immediate 43% spending cut? I like the sound of that!
    Are you suggesting a 43% cut across the board, or do you have any sacred cows like many of the other conservatives/libertarians that are off the table in any cuts? Entitlements? Defense? Debt servicing? Anything else?

    You truly have no clue how the world works. Your wanting to eliminate the debt ceiling is proof of that. You already admit we can't pay our debts, if we appear irresponsible (which Obama is already seen as) financially on the world financial market, don't you think we're going to get screwed when countries realize our debt is way beyond our means to pay it off? Do you really have a clue? Honestly? I have a feeling you've never taken an economics course in college. You ever even been to college?
    Actually I have an MBA with a concentration in economics, so I've taken more economics than just about anyone on this board. But in any case, you are a profoundly unpleasant person to talk to, so I think I'm done with this conversation. Toodles.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I didn't say spending wasn't a problem; I said that not raising the debt ceiling is a foolish way to cut spending. We need to reform entitlements, change our tax code, and cut defense spending.



    Are you suggesting a 43% cut across the board, or do you have any sacred cows like many of the other conservatives/libertarians that are off the table in any cuts? Entitlements? Defense? Debt servicing? Anything else?



    Actually I have an MBA with a concentration in economics, so I've taken more economics than just about anyone on this board. But in any case, you are a profoundly unpleasant person to talk to, so I think I'm done with this conversation. Toodles.
    MBA? LOLOLOL

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