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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Does this really shock you? They have no accomplishments to run on, so they scare the **** out of people to make them support the dems.

    It's been their modus operendi for decades.



    I bet he could withdraw from lybia and use some of that money on these SS checks.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    We've been kicking this can down the road long enough. It's time to show fiscal responsibility. I can't stand when liberals say "well we've raised it a half million different times in the past, why not this time?" That is irresponsible, immature and completely clueless behavior/attitude.
    What is irresponsible and immature is the existence of the debt ceiling in the first place. Want to stop kicking the can down the road? Then let's repeal the debt ceiling entirely. It's never actually helped to slow the growth of spending anyway. It's ALWAYS been used as a political club for the opposition party to bludgeon the in-party, and occasionally to extract concessions on whatever issue is pissing them off the most at any given time. Now, that doesn't mean that our government should have a blank check to run up the debt...but the amount of our deficit is a debate that's better saved for discussions over entitlement reform, tax policy, and the annual budget.

    And what's worse, is saying that republicans have raised it in the past. Ok, so what? If McCain would be in office right now I'd still stand behind not raising the debt ceiling. We can't keep this up, if we don't cap our debt, we will collapse as a nation owing a lot more than we owe now.
    To my knowledge no other nation in the world has this "ticking time bomb," where the government is able to pass budgets that routinely exceed the debt ceiling, but must then regularly vote to forestall a default by raising the debt ceiling. This is a horrible state of legislative affairs.

    As it is, we can't pay our debts off if we wanted to. Our unsecured debt is more than all of the money in the world. How the hell do we pay that off?
    It's not a matter of paying our debt off; I agree that that probably won't happen. A better metric than the absolute size of our debt, is our debt-to-GDP ratio. If we can grow our economy faster than we grow our debt, we'll be in good shape. This will involve reforming entitlement programs, sharp cuts to defense spending, and reforming our tax code. And those are all worthwhile debates to have; but they shouldn't be tied to a potential default on the US debt. Congress shouldn't even be in the position where they're ALLOWED to risk default through a mechanism like the debt ceiling.

    We can't keep going like this, its going to hurt a little now or a lot later. I vote for a little now.
    If we cut 43% of the federal budget in the next three weeks, it's going to hurt more than a little now.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Here's the marching orders from voters in 2010 and now.

    Do NOT raise taxes, lest you be politically castrated.

    Cut spending drastically, lest you be politically castrated.

    Do NOT raise the debt limit. We will not default. This is purely scare tactics.

    If we go under, the world will go under. We aren't going under.

    Government is clinging to the power is has created for itself, the vast majority of which was unintended by the framers. THAT is what is in the balance, not our financial well-being, which was compromised long ago.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    President Obama is doing just what he should be doing in warning the American people of possible consequences of the Republican war on the working class of this nation. Sadly, he has only dipped his toe into the waters and needs to dive in completely. We can hope this happens over the next 16 months.

    We need a full blown, very aggressive, very much "in your face", very much no holds barred campaign filled with statistics, fact and figures about the right wing war on the working class in America. That should be the centerpiece and focus of the campaign because everything else is just a plank in that platform.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What a dirtbag move by the POTUS... Scare and fear tactics...... These checks will go out, and Obama should be ashamed of himself threatening seniors and Veterans.
    Same question for you: if it's just a "scare tactic," then where IS the money going to come from? I've now heard various conservatives take off the table any cuts for seniors, cuts for veterans, cuts for soldiers, and defaulting on the debt. Well, you're mathematically running out of places to slash spending by the amount that would be necessary, if the debt ceiling isn't raised. So if Obama's assessment is merely scare tactics, why don't you present us with a list of where you're going to cut 43% of the budget?

    (Hint: NPR and agriculture subsidies are not quite 43% of the federal budget.)
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    President Obama is doing just what he should be doing in warning the American people of possible consequences of the Republican war on the working class of this nation. Sadly, he has only dipped his toe into the waters and needs to dive in completely. We can hope this happens over the next 16 months.

    We need a full blown, very aggressive, very much "in your face", very much no holds barred campaign filled with statistics, fact and figures about the right wing war on the working class in America. That should be the centerpiece and focus of the campaign because everything else is just a plank in that platform.


    You would lose on "facts and figures"


    Fact, there is higher unemployment than 4 years ago.

    Fact, Your home is worth less

    Fact, Gitmo is still open

    Fact, Gas prices are up

    Fact, he wants to raise your taxes

    Fact, the debt is multitudes higher than it was 4 years ago

    Fact, folks are worse off today than they were 4 years ago.


    So sure you run on "facts" and "figures" and "in your face" and see how that works out for you...


    here is another "fact" Obama is lying, your SS checks will go out on Aug 3rd despite the fear mongering.


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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not a matter of paying our debt off; I agree that that probably won't happen.
    If your first paragraph wasn't irresponsible enough to make you lose credibility, that sentence drove the nail deep into the coffin of credibility. You admit we won't pay off our debts, yet in the same reply you actually think repealing the debt limit is a good idea?

    I just wonder how some people's brains are wired.

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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    President Obama is doing just what he should be doing in warning the American people of possible consequences of the Republican war on the working class of this nation. Sadly, he has only dipped his toe into the waters and needs to dive in completely. We can hope this happens over the next 16 months.

    We need a full blown, very aggressive, very much "in your face", very much no holds barred campaign filled with statistics, fact and figures about the right wing war on the working class in America. That should be the centerpiece and focus of the campaign because everything else is just a plank in that platform.

    "statistics, fact and figures"
    You're kidding right? Just look at many of the posts on this forum - people don't really care about "statistics, fact and figures", they buy what they are sold based on pre-conceived positions and opinion - I mean this part of your post about sums it all up "the right wing war on the working class in America". Are you referring to the 48% of American voters who did NOT vote for this President?
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Same question for you: if it's just a "scare tactic," then where IS the money going to come from? I've now heard various conservatives take cuts for seniors, cuts for veterans, cuts for soldiers, and defaulting on the debt off the table. Well, you're mathematically running out of places to slash spending by the amount that would be necessary, if the debt ceiling isn't raised. So if Obama's assessment is merely scare tactics, why don't you present us with a list of where you're going to cut 43% of the budget?

    (Hint: NPR and agriculture subsidies are not quite 43% of the federal budget.)


    So August third, there is no money? o.O


    How about Obama stop holding the country hostage for his tax increases and rampant spending.
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    Re: Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    If your first paragraph wasn't irresponsible enough to make you lose credibility, that sentence drove the nail deep into the coffin of credibility.
    Yeah, shame on me for agreeing with what you just said yourself in the previous post.

    You admit we won't pay off our debts, yet in the same reply you actually think repealing the debt limit is a good idea?
    Because the debt limit doesn't actually curb the size of our debt, as I mentioned in my previous post. It's just a club that the opposition uses to embarrass the in-party and occasionally extract concessions. And normally that would be fine, except every time it happens we run the risk of someone pushing brinkmanship too far and not being able to reach an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. That's why I'm supportive of the proposal that Mitch McConnell put forward yesterday.
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