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Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

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House Speaker John Boehner is turning up the heat on President Obama, calling the debt-ceiling increase "his problem" and putting the onus on him to present a deficit-reduction plan that can pass Congress.
Republicans in both chambers had tough words for the administration ahead of another White House sit-down Tuesday afternoon. On the Senate floor, GOP Leader Mitch McConnell accused the president and his party of "deliberate deception."
The comments may reflect increasing pressure from rank-and-file Republicans to press for deeper spending cuts and not cave in to the administration's call for tax hikes.


Read more: Boehner Assures Republicans He Won't Cave on Tax Hikes - FoxNews.com

I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
 
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Why can't we do both?
 
Why can't we do both?

Exactly. We need to do both but for some reason the GOP is so hell-bent on ruining the country in Obama's name that they are ignoring this. You CANNOT have the MILITARY spending we have without raising taxes. So, take your pick, defund the defense spending and pay our bills with the money. I'm sure the hard working men and women serving in combat will understand they have no jobs so the rich can keep their tax breaks!
 
I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.

No. Taxes reimburse the government for services it provides for its citizens. During the Bush administration, the government started doing MORE for its citizens. We started fighting 2 wars for our country's security (well, arguably). We started providing more benefits for seniors via Medicare. We started investing more in education. Etc. So the government was doing more for us in many ways. (And yes, the same for the Obama administration.) Taxes should have gone up, or at the very least stayed constant...they should not have gone down.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals admit there is a spending problem and desire a balanced approach. Conservatives, on the other hand, still blindly support tax cuts, forever and ever amen, and refuse to even humor the idea of an increase in revenue. This sort of ideological purity is destructive and childish.
 
No. Taxes reimburse the government for services it provides for its citizens. During the Bush administration, the government started doing MORE for its citizens. We started fighting 2 wars for our country's security (well, arguably). We started providing more benefits for seniors via Medicare. We started investing more in education. Etc. So the government was doing more for us in many ways. (And yes, the same for the Obama administration.) Taxes should have gone up, or at the very least stayed constant...they should not have gone down.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals admit there is a spending problem and desire a balanced approach. Conservatives, on the other hand, still blindly support tax cuts, forever and ever amen, and refuse to even humor the idea of an increase in revenue.


This logic is befuddling... we're spending too much, so the answer is to... raise taxes.

$14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and you think the answer is to keep spending? Serious cuts to entitlements. I know that too many people are stuck on this "Too much military spending" lie, but let's be honest here, Defense Spending is roughly 18% of the Budget, Entitlements are hovering just under 60%.

Ya'lls answer is "We spend too much on the military we have to raise taxes?" NO. We have to cut SS, Medicaide and Medicare, drastically. Guess what, we CANNOT AFFORD THEM.
 
Why can't we do both?

We can. The question should be why? I may be ok with raising taxes if the additional revenue went entirely to pay down the debt. The feds like many States cannot continue to spend at the level they are doing it. Don't you think the Feds should have a balanced budget? Part of that budget should be the debt payment. This is no different than many citizens that have to balance the home budget which includes loan obligations (home,car,etc). The govt., like people should not live beyond their means.
 
I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.

The problem is the difference between spending and revenue. We do have to cut spending (maybe start with our forever war as that's wasted well over a trillion dollars), but we may have to increase taxes too in order to cut down on the difference.
 
This logic is befuddling... we're spending too much, so the answer is to... raise taxes.

$14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and you think the answer is to keep spending? Serious cuts to entitlements. I know that too many people are stuck on this "Too much military spending" lie, but let's be honest here, Defense Spending is roughly 18% of the Budget, Entitlements are hovering just under 60%.

Ya'lls answer is "We spend too much on the military we have to raise taxes?" NO. We have to cut SS, Medicaide and Medicare, drastically. Guess what, we CANNOT AFFORD THEM.

Seriously, you support 3 foreign wars over supporting your own people? Your elderly, sick, disabled? Wow.
 
The problem is the difference between spending and revenue. We do have to cut spending (maybe start with our forever war as that's wasted well over a trillion dollars), but we may have to increase taxes too in order to cut down on the difference.

We keep saying cut and increase . . .but all the OP keeps repeating is the parts he likes. Seems like a pointless discussion.
 
Seriously, you support 3 foreign wars over supporting your own people? Your elderly, sick, disabled? Wow.

It's a little sick right? **** the old and infrim Americans, those guys in the ME need "freedom"! The forever war needs to go too. Foriegn aid needs to go. We don't have to scrap SS, Medicade, and Medicare; we can make changes to the system. We can also get rid of the Capital Gains Tax and tax that income as income would be normally taxed.

The willingness of some to huck people into the street or prevent their care in order to continue imperial and agressive wars is befuddling. If we hadn't gotten into our forever war, we could have more than paid for universal healthcare. A real one, not this giveaway to the insurance companies Obama made.
 
This logic is befuddling... we're spending too much, so the answer is to... raise taxes.

$14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and you think the answer is to keep spending? Serious cuts to entitlements. I know that too many people are stuck on this "Too much military spending" lie, but let's be honest here, Defense Spending is roughly 18% of the Budget, Entitlements are hovering just under 60%.

Ya'lls answer is "We spend too much on the military we have to raise taxes?" NO. We have to cut SS, Medicaide and Medicare, drastically. Guess what, we CANNOT AFFORD THEM.

No, my logic is not "we spend too much, let's raise taxes." My logic is this: we spend too much and we lowered taxes at a bad time to lower taxes....so let's cut spending and raise *some* taxes, carefully.

You'll find that I am pretty moderate, even conservative on a fiscal level (well, conservative by most standards; not conservative based on the demands of the child-throwing-a-tantrum tea party philosophy). I DO think we need to adjust Medicare, probably in a big way like raising the eligibility age (full disclosure: I think Paul Ryan's approach sucks). I do think we should fix other entitlements like SS and Medicaid in ways that make sense. I do think we need to cut military spending to the extent we can afford to do so. Anything that is 18% of the budget...needs to be touched. Period. You can't act as if it's off the table when it's nearly 1/5 of the problem. So we need a balanced approach..I WANT a balanced approach. I don't want the wingnuts in my party to win this battle. The difference is...the Republicans, it appears, DO want the wingnuts to effectively wag the dog.

Again, how can you possibly dispute that the Bush administration grew the government, and yet lowered taxes? If you are going to grow government, taxes cannot go down or budget problems will arise. They are related, as much as you guys do not want to admit it. Spending and spending alone does not exist in a vaccuum; the revenue side IS a factor and WAS adjusted just before we started having these deficit problems in the early years of President Bush. I am not in favor of massive tax increases on the middle class, particularly in this climate; we need to be careful. But revenues need to be on the table, every bit as much as everything else needs to be on the table. And to suggest otherwise is stubborn partisanship at its finest.
 
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No. Taxes reimburse the government for services it provides for its citizens. During the Bush administration, the government started doing MORE for its citizens. We started fighting 2 wars for our country's security (well, arguably). We started providing more benefits for seniors via Medicare. We started investing more in education. Etc. So the government was doing more for us in many ways. (And yes, the same for the Obama administration.) Taxes should have gone up, or at the very least stayed constant...they should not have gone down.

The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals admit there is a spending problem and desire a balanced approach. Conservatives, on the other hand, still blindly support tax cuts, forever and ever amen, and refuse to even humor the idea of an increase in revenue. This sort of ideological purity is destructive and childish.

How is maintaining current tax rates a cut? Is it your view that the "other side" has been totally adult in approuching the issue? The problem as I see it our govt. (all parties) have failed and are failing to do their job. Federal budget year starts Oct, every year, yet the Feds wait to the last minute to pass a budget. This debt issue has been known for months. Yet the elected officials have now waited to the last minute. It is time we get some "grown ups" in office who will do things on time. There is way to much bs coming from both sides.
 
Seriously, you support 3 foreign wars over supporting your own people? Your elderly, sick, disabled? Wow.

I support spending we can afford. "The Elderly and the Sick" cost us 3 TIMES as much as "foreign wars". In fact, if you were to shelves all military spending, we'd have a deficit of roughly $11,000,000,000,000.00

So tell me, dear, how being $11,000,000,000,000.00 in debt is affordable, responsible governing? I know you think people are incapable of surviving without the hand of Government, but I have more faith in people. Besides, we both know most entitlement spending is just political bribes for votes. That's all Entitlement spending has ever been, "Vote for us, we'll give you other peoples money".
 
It's a little sick right? **** the old and infrim Americans, those guys in the ME need "freedom"! The forever war needs to go too. Foriegn aid needs to go. We don't have to scrap SS, Medicade, and Medicare; we can make changes to the system. We can also get rid of the Capital Gains Tax and tax that income as income would be normally taxed.

The willingness of some to huck people into the street or prevent their care in order to continue imperial and agressive wars is befuddling. If we hadn't gotten into our forever war, we could have more than paid for universal healthcare. A real one, not this giveaway to the insurance companies Obama made.

Exactly! We need to fix our problems at home before we try and fix the world. I understand as a world power we have some obligations, but not everything we have put on our plate. We can still have military- just not as much. I'm not saying cut everything. I'm saying lets not spend more then the rest of the world combined on defense- and we do!
 
How is maintaining current tax rates a cut?

I'm speaking of the Bush tax cuts. They are supporting the Bush tax cuts, forever and ever amen...that is what I meant. They may not be a future tax cut but as enacted in the past, they were a tax cut and are still supported by conservatives across the board (even those, such as John McCain, who voted against them).
 
Well apparently i huge part of this country and this countries future is not the Republicans "problem" now....
What a bunch of ****ing jerk offs.. "My way or the highway"? Seriously!? Your in congress. Debate come to a meeting point republicans!
 
I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.

Yeah, and couple it with equal tax cuts.

Starve the beast.

That's what the "fiscal conservatives" at the state level have been doing.

Creating millions of jobs in the process, just like every time taxes are cut.

Because all money retained by businesses is used to create American jobs.

Always. Just look at all those jobs the extension of the 01-03 cuts have created!

Everybody knows its a couple percent in taxes forcing business overseas, not the lure of dirt cheap labor.
 
Republicans think Obama is playing rope a dope... and I agree. He is.

The Tea Party does in fact matter - and I'd like to see, at least once in my lifetime, a group of politicians with a backbone. They say it's a myth - like elves and wood faeries and such. No raising the debt ceiling without a Constitutional Amendment for a Federal balanced budget. And I want it in writing from the Democrats... in blood, with fingerprints and a "no way out of it", and a few cases of scotch so the progressives can blame it on being **** faced drunk when they signed it.
 
Because all money retained by businesses is used to create American jobs.

Always.

Yeah, so where are the jobs then? Businesses are sitting on record profits.

Republicans think Obama is playing rope a dope... and I agree. He is.

The Tea Party does in fact matter - and I'd like to see, at least once in my lifetime, a group of politicians with a backbone. They say it's a myth - like elves and wood faeries and such. No raising the debt ceiling without a Constitutional Amendment for a Federal balanced budget. And I want it in writing from the Democrats... in blood, with fingerprints and a "no way out of it", and a few cases of scotch so the progressives can blame it on being **** faced drunk when they signed it.

Why in writing from the Democrats? A Republican president and Congress are what UN-balanced the budget after Clinton left office.
 
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I'm speaking of the Bush tax cuts. They are supporting the Bush tax cuts, forever and ever amen...that is what I meant. They may not be a future tax cut but as enacted in the past, they were a tax cut and are still supported by conservatives across the board (even those, such as John McCain, who voted against them).

If the Bush rates are so bad. Why did the likes of Pelosi take advantage of them instead of contributing what they consider their fair share? Pelosi did nothing wrong in following approved tax rates. I am saying if they so strongly feel the "rich" need to pay "their fair share", why have they not contributed at the rate they feel is appropriate along? It is political bs to me to say the rich need to pay more, yet Pelosi has not. Contributions/gifts to the govt. can be done above the tax rate.
 
Yeah, so where are the jobs then? Businesses are sitting on record profits.

Because the future is uncertain. Obamacare, tax hikes... you don't start hiring and spending without knowing what future costs are going to be.

Business 101, go take a course and get back to us.
 
If the Bush rates are so bad. Why did the likes of Pelosi take advantage of them instead of contributing what they consider their fair share? Pelosi did nothing wrong in following approved tax rates. I am saying if they so strongly feel the "rich" need to pay "their fair share", why have they not contributed at the rate they feel is appropriate along? It is political bs to me to say the rich need to pay more, yet Pelosi has not. Contributions/gifts to the govt. can be done above the tax rate.

Really, really bizarre argument. So now everybody needs to practice in real life all legislation that they think OUGHT to be passed, but hasn't been?

So conservatives who think all illegal immigrants should be deported should be hauling vans full of Mexicans over the border on their free time?


Because the future is uncertain. Obamacare, tax hikes... you don't start hiring and spending without knowing what future costs are going to be.

Business 101, go take a course and get back to us.

I am an accounting major at a big ten school highly respected for it's business program, but be condescending all you like...it only discredits you, not me.

Obamacare is not an uncertainty - any mandates or taxes are now law, and can be read online by anyone with a laptop and eyes. Uncertainty is no longer an issue. The opposite is.
 
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Because the future is uncertain. Obamacare, tax hikes... you don't start hiring and spending without knowing what future costs are going to be.

Business 101, go take a course and get back to us.

Go take a business course? Yeah right, that just means you drink from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep. Business majors are easy mode.

Another uncertain is the fact that we STILL DON'T HAVE A BUDGET. And that's the Republocrats fault.
 
Really, really bizarre argument. So now everybody needs to practice in real life all legislation that they think OUGHT to be passed, but hasn't been?

So conservatives who think all illegal immigrants should be deported should be hauling vans full of Mexicans over the border on their free time?




I am an accounting major at a big ten school highly respected for it's business program, but be condescending all you like...it only discredits you, not me.

Obamacare is not an uncertainty - any mandates or taxes are now law, and can be read online by anyone with a laptop and eyes. Uncertainty is no longer an issue. The opposite is.

You should get your money back.
 
Yeah, I really didn't expect any substantive comeback.
 
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