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    Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    House Speaker John Boehner is turning up the heat on President Obama, calling the debt-ceiling increase "his problem" and putting the onus on him to present a deficit-reduction plan that can pass Congress.
    Republicans in both chambers had tough words for the administration ahead of another White House sit-down Tuesday afternoon. On the Senate floor, GOP Leader Mitch McConnell accused the president and his party of "deliberate deception."
    The comments may reflect increasing pressure from rank-and-file Republicans to press for deeper spending cuts and not cave in to the administration's call for tax hikes.


    Read more: Boehner Assures Republicans He Won't Cave on Tax Hikes - FoxNews.com
    I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

    I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

    Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Why can't we do both?

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Why can't we do both?
    Exactly. We need to do both but for some reason the GOP is so hell-bent on ruining the country in Obama's name that they are ignoring this. You CANNOT have the MILITARY spending we have without raising taxes. So, take your pick, defund the defense spending and pay our bills with the money. I'm sure the hard working men and women serving in combat will understand they have no jobs so the rich can keep their tax breaks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

    I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

    Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
    No. Taxes reimburse the government for services it provides for its citizens. During the Bush administration, the government started doing MORE for its citizens. We started fighting 2 wars for our country's security (well, arguably). We started providing more benefits for seniors via Medicare. We started investing more in education. Etc. So the government was doing more for us in many ways. (And yes, the same for the Obama administration.) Taxes should have gone up, or at the very least stayed constant...they should not have gone down.

    The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals admit there is a spending problem and desire a balanced approach. Conservatives, on the other hand, still blindly support tax cuts, forever and ever amen, and refuse to even humor the idea of an increase in revenue. This sort of ideological purity is destructive and childish.

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    No. Taxes reimburse the government for services it provides for its citizens. During the Bush administration, the government started doing MORE for its citizens. We started fighting 2 wars for our country's security (well, arguably). We started providing more benefits for seniors via Medicare. We started investing more in education. Etc. So the government was doing more for us in many ways. (And yes, the same for the Obama administration.) Taxes should have gone up, or at the very least stayed constant...they should not have gone down.

    The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals admit there is a spending problem and desire a balanced approach. Conservatives, on the other hand, still blindly support tax cuts, forever and ever amen, and refuse to even humor the idea of an increase in revenue.

    This logic is befuddling... we're spending too much, so the answer is to... raise taxes.

    $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and you think the answer is to keep spending? Serious cuts to entitlements. I know that too many people are stuck on this "Too much military spending" lie, but let's be honest here, Defense Spending is roughly 18% of the Budget, Entitlements are hovering just under 60%.

    Ya'lls answer is "We spend too much on the military we have to raise taxes?" NO. We have to cut SS, Medicaide and Medicare, drastically. Guess what, we CANNOT AFFORD THEM.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Why can't we do both?
    We can. The question should be why? I may be ok with raising taxes if the additional revenue went entirely to pay down the debt. The feds like many States cannot continue to spend at the level they are doing it. Don't you think the Feds should have a balanced budget? Part of that budget should be the debt payment. This is no different than many citizens that have to balance the home budget which includes loan obligations (home,car,etc). The govt., like people should not live beyond their means.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

    I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

    Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
    The problem is the difference between spending and revenue. We do have to cut spending (maybe start with our forever war as that's wasted well over a trillion dollars), but we may have to increase taxes too in order to cut down on the difference.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    This logic is befuddling... we're spending too much, so the answer is to... raise taxes.

    $14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt and you think the answer is to keep spending? Serious cuts to entitlements. I know that too many people are stuck on this "Too much military spending" lie, but let's be honest here, Defense Spending is roughly 18% of the Budget, Entitlements are hovering just under 60%.

    Ya'lls answer is "We spend too much on the military we have to raise taxes?" NO. We have to cut SS, Medicaide and Medicare, drastically. Guess what, we CANNOT AFFORD THEM.
    Seriously, you support 3 foreign wars over supporting your own people? Your elderly, sick, disabled? Wow.

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The problem is the difference between spending and revenue. We do have to cut spending (maybe start with our forever war as that's wasted well over a trillion dollars), but we may have to increase taxes too in order to cut down on the difference.
    We keep saying cut and increase . . .but all the OP keeps repeating is the parts he likes. Seems like a pointless discussion.

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by GoVote2012 View Post
    Seriously, you support 3 foreign wars over supporting your own people? Your elderly, sick, disabled? Wow.
    It's a little sick right? **** the old and infrim Americans, those guys in the ME need "freedom"! The forever war needs to go too. Foriegn aid needs to go. We don't have to scrap SS, Medicade, and Medicare; we can make changes to the system. We can also get rid of the Capital Gains Tax and tax that income as income would be normally taxed.

    The willingness of some to huck people into the street or prevent their care in order to continue imperial and agressive wars is befuddling. If we hadn't gotten into our forever war, we could have more than paid for universal healthcare. A real one, not this giveaway to the insurance companies Obama made.
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