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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama presented an outline with no specifics, didn't that go down 97-0 in the Senate? Yeah, yeah it did. Try again Ikari.
    Nah.

    Obama presented a budget earlier in the year. An actual budget.

    Then, after Ryan's budget, Obama offered a counter-proposal...an outline, as you call it, not yet formed into legislation.

    The GOP wanted a vote on the first budget, although Obama's second counter-proposal basically invalidated it. Political theater to offer a talking point to people like you. The vote went down, and obviously no one voted for it because it was no longer what Obama and the Dems were presenting.

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because the future is uncertain. Obamacare, tax hikes... you don't start hiring and spending without knowing what future costs are going to be.

    Business 101, go take a course and get back to us.
    The future is always uncertain.

    Giving the supply side more money is no guarantee that the demand side will increase.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

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    Yeah, so where are the jobs then? Businesses are sitting on record profits.



    Why in writing from the Democrats? A Republican president and Congress are what UN-balanced the budget after Clinton left office.
    Because the Democrats are playing rope a dope.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Let's go into default. I want everyone in the House, Senate, and White House to be gone and I can't think of a better way of doing it than letting them drive our country into another recession. In every crisis there is opportunity and I see this as an opportunity to do some major house cleaning. I want to see people who put ideology ahead of the welfare of our country kicked out so that we can elect a more moderate and pragmatic set of leaders.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

    I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

    Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
    no dice, we need to do both

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm mildly shocked, this is past the point the GOP always caves in and gives up it's position to the Democrats in the "spirit of bi-partisanship" and usually get hosed.

    I guess the Tea Party really DOES matter.

    Let's face it folks, the problem is NOT a revenue problem, it's a spending problem. WE HAVE TO CUT SPENDING, not increase taxes.
    Ummm, you're joking, right? Since when have Reps "caved" to Dems? They've said 'no' to practically everything Dems have proposed. They've even backed away from their own proposals after Obama endorsed them. McConnell's single most important goal is to see that Obama is a one term president. He actually said that. Remember? After the health care act was passed, McCain folded his arms, stomped his feet, crapped his Depends and said that Republicans would block everything. Does that sound like a party that's into compromising?

    They were defeated. Plain and simple. Partly due to their own overreach. Partly due to Obama's and his advisors' superior political skill. Republicans look like complete fools.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    If the Bush rates are so bad. Why did the likes of Pelosi take advantage of them instead of contributing what they consider their fair share?
    How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?

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    Because the Democrats are playing rope a dope.
    So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

    Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

    I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?



    So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

    Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

    I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.
    I agree. I believe it will come down to the last minute. What a great summer, don't ya think?

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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    How does the latter disprove the former, exactly? Or are you just mudslinging and obfuscating?



    So are the Republicans. It's a game of political chicken, and we're in the passengers' seats.

    Personally, I haven't seen a single legitimate argument against raising taxes by conservatives. All I've seen from them is "We have a budget deficit, ergo we have a spending problem." Guess what? A balanced budget means that one balances one's income with one's expenditures. That means that the deficit could be reduced by either spending cuts, tax increases or a combination of both. This, obviously, then, is not an argument at all. Yet they keep on repeating it as if it has meaning (see Vicchio's idiotic posts in this thread for example).

    I have a feeling that once we get closer to the date we'll see the pressure from lobbyists and the economy take effect and these good old boys will pass a budget.
    Here's one reason for not raising taxes. Tax increases in this economy will cause unemployment to rise. In the oil industry, instead of raising taxes, offshore drilling would boost revenue. Drilling would produce new jobs and generate billions in economic growth.

    If taxes are raised congress will only spend it. How much do you think would go toward debt reduction? It's like feeding a giant, out of control, spending spree with your money.

    I personally want to see Obama stop payment on several social security payments like he has stated. Think that will bode well for the incumbent in an upcoming election year?
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    Re: Boehner: Debt Ceiling Increase Obama's Problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Here's one reason for not raising taxes. Tax increases in this economy will cause unemployment to rise. In the oil industry, instead of raising taxes, offshore drilling would boost revenue. Drilling would produce new jobs and generate billions in economic growth.

    If taxes are raised congress will only spend it. How much do you think would go toward debt reduction? It's like feeding a giant, out of control, spending spree with your money.

    I personally want to see Obama stop payment on several social security payments like he has stated. Think that will bode well for the incumbent in an upcoming election year?
    No. But nor do I wish to see seniors crashing and burning to make a point.

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