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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Ah, first you believe in being dishonest and now you believe that two wrongs make a right. Have you no shame, sir?

And you seem to think that only one wrong is wrong.

And only a fool would think a politician is honest.
 
And what about the TSA, and the HSA? Are the dems responsible for that too?

How about the largest Farms bill in history? And the largest transportation bill? What about the subsidies for highly profitable energy conpanies, like oil and coal?

Are you having trouble reading what I say?
 
Are they the only places where you can find cuts? You'd better seek out more because the country is hopelessly in debt and some police departments are already being shut down. The Leftist future is well under way!

You claimed that no repubs were proposing to end SS. Now you've changed your tune to "Are they the only places where you can find cuts?" a question you should be asking the repubs, who ran away when Obama proposed additional spending cuts.
 
My new deductions for 2011 were increased by the following so thank you liberals for the upcoming refund

I listed....... '12 million illegal immigrants, 10 million crack heads, 20 million unemployed bastards too lazy to work, the entire cast of The Jerry Springer Show, 140,000 people in 133 penal establishments in California, 2 million leftovers from Katrina, half of Mexico, all of the House of Representatives, most of the Senate, and Michelle Obama’s trip to visit relatives in Africa.
 
And you seem to think that only one wrong is wrong.

And only a fool would think a politician is honest.

I have never said that only one wrong is wrong. That's just plain silliness.

I believe that there are honest politicians, both Republican and Democrat. I am not a pure cynic, like you. So, according to you, I am a fool. I am not, but that's okay. You have clearly shown that you are dishonest and my guess is, everyone here knows it.
 
Its such a big idea that I think she and ALL republicans should run on it and make it the centerpiece of their campaigns.

So you feel that the American people have become hopelessly dependent on government and they have no other alternatives.

Have you actually read the opinions posted on the subject or does your brain tend to cease up while you're muddling through the headline?
 
Our tax system is not predicated on people paying their fair share.; it's based on the idea that our tax system should encourage economic growth

OK, so you agree that the wealthiest americans are paying their fair share, despite your claim that they weren't. Good.

Now on to your new argument:
"The U.S. tax system is based on that idea that taxes system should encourge economic growth."

According to who? Sounds like your opinion, you can't really raise that as a debate topic. But you can try by providing some evidence that this is why we're taxed. Because everything I'm reading simply points to the fact that it's a congressional power.

The fact that you're wrong about this new claim as well shouldn't cloud the fact that it's an important point that in the U.S. there is no clear constitutional declaration of the purpose of taxes, and in some other countries there are such statements...interesting?
 
Borrow and spend was the republican policy under bush*. Now that we have a dem president, borrow and spend is suddenly A Very Bad Thing

It is a very bad thing, just as it was for Bush, and why his numbers were in the tank.

But, in any case, didn't the Democrats and their hapless presidential candidate say he Hoped to Change the Bush policies? Why are you boasting that he is not only continuing the overspending but that he has actually outBushed Bush?
 
My new deductions for 2011 were increased by the following so thank you liberals for the upcoming refund

I listed....... '12 million illegal immigrants, 10 million crack heads, 20 million unemployed bastards too lazy to work, the entire cast of The Jerry Springer Show, 140,000 people in 133 penal establishments in California, 2 million leftovers from Katrina, half of Mexico, all of the House of Representatives, most of the Senate, and Michelle Obama’s trip to visit relatives in Africa.

This argument is right up there with the poster who claims to have $10m and earns no income, even though he admits to earning interest income
 
You've changed your argument. Just a short while ago, you were saying that no one was proposing to end SS. Now, it's OK that republicans are proposing to end SS

Actually that's not what I said at all, which is why I insist that Leftists use quotes. As well, your lack of comprehension skills has been well noted.
 
I have never said that only one wrong is wrong. That's just plain silliness.

I believe that there are honest politicians, both Republican and Democrat. I am not a pure cynic, like you. So, according to you, I am a fool. I am not, but that's okay. You have clearly shown that you are dishonest and my guess is, everyone here knows it.

No, you just only focus on the lies of dems, to the exclusion of the repub lies. That's just plain hypocrisy
 
So you feel that the American people have become hopelessly dependent on government and they have no other alternatives.

No, he thinks the repubs would lose if they were honest about their desires.

Have you actually read the opinions posted on the subject or does your brain tend to cease up while you're muddling through the headline?

umm, errrr.....
 
No, you just only focus on the lies of dems, to the exclusion of the repub lies. That's just plain hypocrisy

Well, I believe the topic here is tax hikes. In this discussion, the lies of the Democrats are highly relevant.
 
Second you do. So, say it for the record, Bush is repsonble for increasing the debt.

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Republicans submitted theirs right after taking control of Congress in January 2011. When did they have the power to submit one prior? Ryan's plan was much higher than 1.1 trillion in spending cuts.

Yes, debt service is around 200 billion a year with these low interest rates, 1.1 trillion divided by 10 = 110 billion

Okay, and the President submitted his right after the SOUA as required by law. Therefore, you can't keep with this "he didn't show leadership 'cause he submitted his budget plan after the new Republican majority House did. Nah!" Sorry, but that's how kids act.

Fact is, the President did his job. It was then incumbant upon Congress to take both plans, as well as any proposed by the Senate, and come up with a consensus budget plan that would work. Instead, they all played party politics and offered short-term plans. Hence, the reason the President said he was unwilling to sign any 2, 3 or 6 month short-gap spending plans. I'd say he has shown leadership here. He has gone above the dollar amount of spending cuts initially requested by the GOP, but at every turn they've balked and the only reason they did so was because the President's plan called for closing tax loopholes and didn't include entitlement reform. Yet, Sen. McConnoll has said such reforms (in the tax code) could not be done in such a short time between the time he got involved in debt limit negotiations and the deadline for raising same. What a crock!! Can you say, "cop-out?"
 
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OK, so you agree that the wealthiest americans are paying their fair share, despite your claim that they weren't. Good.

No

No
w on to your new argument:
"The U.S. tax system is based on that idea that taxes system should encourge economic growth."

According to who? Sounds like your opinion, you can't really raise that as a debate topic. But you can try by providing some evidence that this is why we're taxed. Because everything I'm reading simply points to the fact that it's a congressional power.


According to just about everyone who is posting in this thread, judging by their arguments. Do you really think posters are arguing that their proposals for taxes have nothing to do with promoting eco growth?
 
It is a very bad thing, just as it was for Bush, and why his numbers were in the tank.

But, in any case, didn't the Democrats and their hapless presidential candidate say he Hoped to Change the Bush policies? Why are you boasting that he is not only continuing the overspending but that he has actually outBushed Bush?

If you think I'm going to defend the current crop of dems, I'd like to sell you a bridge to nowhere while you wait
 
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