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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Boo Radley said:
There are a lot places here where civil discourse breaks down. Just read a post from the Prof sometime. If we would all agree to behave civil, you'd hear no argument from me.
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Yes, civil discourse can break down but that was not what we were discussing, Posts were being changed, remember?
 
haymarket said:
Some dandy born on third base to a team owned by Daddykins while Mumsy is there to bribe the umpire on close calls foolishly thinks he has hit a home run in life as the fool crosses the plate while the servants are paid to cheer wildly.
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oh, yes, we must put a stop to mumsy and daddykins, the health of the nation is at stake

U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

at 61.6T, growing 5.3 per year, however, there aren't enough diamond pacifiers on the planet

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leadership, anyone?
 
sangha said:
I see. Your OT posts are OK. Others relevant posts are not :roll:
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Kinda looks like he considers his stack of straw is the righteous stack but others are not quite so righteous eh?:roll:
 
donc said:
When the top 20% own 84% of our nation’s wealth and it is increasing every year.Kinda looks like were fast approaching the point that they are the only ones that have the dough to pay for our wars.:2wave:
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Or more young people among that 80% can be taught how wealth is created. Judging from many posts on these boards it seems that wealth creation had become a bit of a mystery.
 
pbrauer said:
Stop with the stawman arguments. Presidents Reagan and both Bush and his father spent plenty. We were well on our way to solving our debt problem until the Bush tax cuts and his misguided wars.
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So because President's Reagan and Both Bushs spent plenty that gives Obama the right to put that spending on steroids? Obama's 2010 budget was 700 billion more than the Bush 2008 budget. You don't seem to get it, we have a spending problem not a tax problem. It has been posted many times FIT revenue went up AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts but in your world you have no problem raising taxes with 24 plus million unemployed or unemployed Americans and supposedly giving more money to the politicians that have given us a 14.4 trillion dollar debt. That doesn't make any sense and is purely the liberal ideology. Have you ever looked at the budget of the United States? Try it some times and tell me why the Federal Govt. spends as much as it does and what can be cut and do that before buying the political rhetoric that we need more taxes.

When you have a budget problem do you first find a way to raise more revenue or do you check what expenses can be cut? Stop with the ideological rants and think.
 
The Prof said:
oh, yes, we must put a stop to mumsy and daddykins, the health of the nation is at stake

U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

at 61.6T, growing 5.3 per year, however, there aren't enough diamond pacifiers on the planet

big picture

leadership, anyone?
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Its is sad that you do not want people to be all they can be in America. It is sad that you have to defend the fops and dandies of the upper class while carrying water for them.

Interesting article.

It fails to look at two very real facts of life in America:
1) Social Security has not added one dollar in deficit spending in any year since it was enacted
2) Social Security has not added one dollar to the national debt at any time in the last seven plus decades

But we are led to believe by the right wing extremists that we must cut the program to save the national deficit crisis. Sorry, one plus one does not make fifty-eight.
 
haymarket said:
Its is sad that you do not want people to be all they can be in America. It is sad that you have to defend the fops and dandies of the upper class while carrying water for them.

Interesting article.

It fails to look at two very real facts of life in America:
1) Social Security has not added one dollar in deficit spending in any year since it was enacted
2) Social Security has not added one dollar to the national debt at any time in the last seven plus decades

But we are led to believe by the right wing extremists that we must cut the program to save the national deficit crisis. Sorry, one plus one does not make fifty-eight.
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If SS hasn't added anything to the deficits or debt and is separate from the Budget then Obama shouldn't be scaring seniors about not getting their checks out on time the first of August. The money should be there for payments.
 
Conservative said:
If SS hasn't added anything to the deficits or debt and is separate from the Budget then Obama shouldn't be scaring seniors about not getting their checks out on time the first of August. The money should be there for payments.
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We will see ... we will see.

Apparently your side loves to talk about ending Social Security and you get all loud and proud about it with each other... but let somebody alert seniors to the plan and you get all nervous and outraged. What gives with that ?
 
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haymarket said:
Its is sad that you do not want people to be all they can be in America. It is sad that you have to defend the fops and dandies of the upper class while carrying water for them.

Interesting article.

It fails to look at two very real facts of life in America:
1) Social Security has not added one dollar in deficit spending in any year since it was enacted
2) Social Security has not added one dollar to the national debt at any time in the last seven plus decades

But we are led to believe by the right wing extremists that we must cut the program to save the national deficit crisis. Sorry, one plus one does not make fifty-eight.
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So why is Obama threatening to not pay social security to seniors?

The GOP needs to call this bluff absolutely. We are not going to default, the SS checks will go out, and the government will once again be exposed as the fraud it is.
 
fops must be stopped!

it's just that---ever since edith wharton and mrs astor (LOL!), there just aren't that many fops to be found

meanwhile:

The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies.
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july 7: In debt talks, Obama offers Social Security cuts - The Washington Post
 
sangha said:
I see. Your OT posts are OK. Others relevant posts are not :roll:
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Again, the title of the thread is " Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

Thus the philosophies which led to this greatest debt in US history could be discussed.

Marxism was given as one excuse and, given Obama's history, not completely without justification.

To what political philosophy do you attribute his fiscal madness?
 
Erod said:
So why is Obama threatening to not pay social security to seniors?

The GOP needs to call this bluff absolutely. We are not going to default, the SS checks will go out, and the government will once again be exposed as the fraud it is.
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Lets see ..... I would welcome the GOP right wing fanatics drunk on libertarian kool-aid led by Eric Can't..er to do what they look like they desire to do. Sometimes you have to smell the crap in order to motivate the energy needed to flush it away.
 
haymarket said:
We will see ... we will see.

Apparently your side loves to talk about ending Social Security and you get all loud and proud about it with each other... but let somebody alert seniors to the plan and you get all nervous and outraged. What gives with that ?
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"My side" understands personal responsibility, yours promotes govt. responsibility and in order to prove it always promotes higher taxes and more spending. You and I both know that SS has been on budget since the 60's and the surplus in SS has been used and replaced with IOU's that are now basically worthless. "Your" President's Hope and change message offers a different definition that the electorate believed and now the "chickens are coming home to roost" as one of Obama's mentors loves to say. We don't need tax cuts, we need more taxpayers.

Press Releases - Newsroom - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

“We don't need new taxes. We need new taxpayers, people that are gainfully employed, making money and paying into the tax system. Then we need a government that has the discipline to take that additional revenue and use it to pay down the debt and never grow it again. That's what we should be focused on, and that's what we're not focused on.

“You look at all these taxes being proposed, and here's what I say. I say we should analyze every single one of them through the lens of job creation, issue number one in America. I want to know which one of these taxes they're proposing will create jobs. I want to know how many jobs are going to be created by the plane tax. How many jobs are going to be created by the oil company tax I heard so much about. How many jobs are created by going after the millionaires and billionaires the president talks about? I want to know: How many jobs do they create?
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haymarket said:
We will see ... we will see.

Apparently your side loves to talk about ending Social Security and you get all loud and proud about it with each other... but let somebody alert seniors to the plan and you get all nervous and outraged. What gives with that ?
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I'd really appreciate if you alerted everyone to this plan about ending Social Security, Haymarket, because I've seen no mention of it anywhere.

Could you please provide a copy of this plan?
 
haymarket said:
Lets see ..... I would welcome the GOP right wing fanatics drunk on libertarian kool-aid led by Eric Can't..er to do what they look like they desire to do. Sometimes you have to smell the crap in order to motivate the energy needed to flush it away.
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haymarket, do you believe I should be funding your personal responsibility issues, i.e. healthcare, social security? Obama calls for tax hikes and the question is on whom and why?
 
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You and I both know that SS has been on budget since the 60's and the surplus in SS has been used and replaced with IOU's that are now basically worthless.
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Really!!!!!!!!!!!

The full faith and credit of the United States of America means nothing to you?

The treasury notes held mean nothing to you?

What kind of American patriot are you anyways?
 
StillBallin75 said:
Is it unreasonable to ask for some tax hikes if you've already put $4 trillion in spending cuts on the table?
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Depends on who the tax hike is on, those paying zero FIT or leaving those people alone and raising taxes on the people that pay most of the taxes now? How much are the 24 million unemployed or underemployed paying in taxes?
 
haymarket said:
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Really!!!!!!!!!!!

The full faith and credit of the United States of America means nothing to you?

The treasury notes held mean nothing to you?

What kind of American patriot are you anyways?
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I don't see an answer to the question and I doubt that you are a true patriot for a true patriot understands what made this country great and it wasn't the massive growth in the size of the Federal govt. Now explain to me why I should pay for your healthcare and SS? You do realize that taxpayers fund the govt including your job.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Is it unreasonable to ask for some tax hikes if you've already put $4 trillion in spending cuts on the table?
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It's 4 trillion now? most don't even start until 2014, and yes, it is unreasonable when your parties track record is 27 cents on the dollar when you promised 3.



it's more than this though...


Obama:


Call my bluff
Tax hikes a must
Debt ceiling must be raised


Or..... no negotiations....


On top he storms out from negotioations, and then if I read correctly threatened a veto today?
 
Conservative said:
haymarket, do you believe I should be funding your personal responsibility issues, i.e. healthcare, social security? Obama calls for tax hikes and the question is on whom and why?
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You seem to have no problem "legislating" big brother responsibility, so why not?
 
Grant said:
I'd really appreciate if you alerted everyone to this plan about ending Social Security, Haymarket, because I've seen no mention of it anywhere.

Could you please provide a copy of this plan?
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You need to read more

here is an example

George Reisman's Blog on Economics, Politics, Society, and Culture: How to Eliminate Social Security and Medicare*

and more

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/07/catos-leninist-campaign-end-social-security

and a leading candidate for the 2012 GOP nomination

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/02/08/81306/bachmann-remove-socialsecurity/

lew rockwells wonderland site always can be counted on for lunacy

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff90.html

so much crap he needed two toilets for the screed

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff91.html

and more from our libertarian friends ... or at least your libertarian friends

http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/time-to-end-ss.html

you want more? I can do this all day long.
 
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