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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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LOL....says the man who is one of the few who still thinks that GWB was an economic genius.......

This thread is about tax hikes so what exactly was it that I posted that is wrong? I do appreciate the jobs you have sent us from California, keep believing what you believe and soon California will be exactly like Mexico more so than it is now. Keep ignoring what has been posted:

Press Releases - Newsroom - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

“We don't need new taxes. We need new taxpayers, people that are gainfully employed, making money and paying into the tax system. Then we need a government that has the discipline to take that additional revenue and use it to pay down the debt and never grow it again. That's what we should be focused on, and that's what we're not focused on.

“You look at all these taxes being proposed, and here's what I say. I say we should analyze every single one of them through the lens of job creation, issue number one in America. I want to know which one of these taxes they're proposing will create jobs. I want to know how many jobs are going to be created by the plane tax. How many jobs are going to be created by the oil company tax I heard so much about. How many jobs are created by going after the millionaires and billionaires the president talks about? I want to know: How many jobs do they create?
 
This thread is about tax hikes so what exactly was it that I posted that is wrong? I do appreciate the jobs you have sent us from California, keep believing what you believe and soon California will be exactly like Mexico more so than it is now. Keep ignoring what has been posted:

More of the failed rhetoric of the "Trickle-down" believers. Question Con......why do you guys keep trying to same failed "trickle down" policies and expect different results?
 
More of the failed rhetoric of the "Trickle-down" believers. Question Con......why do you guys keep trying to same failed "trickle down" policies and expect different results?

Looks like you need a little of something including trickle down. L.A. 11.9% unemployment.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/la$pds.pdf
 
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Looks like you need a little of something including trickle down. L.A. 11.9% unemployment.

http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/la$pds.pdf

Nice dodge....I'll ask again Con: Why do you guys keep trying the same failed trickle down policies and expect the results to be different from before? Perhaps you can try answering this time rather than dancing a shuffle.
 
Nice dodge....I'll ask again Con: Why do you guys keep trying the same failed trickle down policies and expect the results to be different from before? Perhaps you can try answering this time rather than dancing a shuffle.

Want to talk about failure, then talk about liberalism and "your" President who wants to raise taxes with 24 million unemployed and underemployed Americans. How does that put people back to work paying taxes. We don't need more taxes we need more taxpayers. With 11.9% unemployment in an area that I am sure has never used trickle down, I seriously doubt you should be pointing to a failure of a policy that you truly don't understand

Press Releases - Newsroom - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

“We don't need new taxes. We need new taxpayers, people that are gainfully employed, making money and paying into the tax system. Then we need a government that has the discipline to take that additional revenue and use it to pay down the debt and never grow it again. That's what we should be focused on, and that's what we're not focused on.

“You look at all these taxes being proposed, and here's what I say. I say we should analyze every single one of them through the lens of job creation, issue number one in America. I want to know which one of these taxes they're proposing will create jobs. I want to know how many jobs are going to be created by the plane tax. How many jobs are going to be created by the oil company tax I heard so much about. How many jobs are created by going after the millionaires and billionaires the president talks about? I want to know: How many jobs do they create?
 
Nice dodge....I'll ask again Con: Why do you guys keep trying the same failed trickle down policies and expect the results to be different from before? Perhaps you can try answering this time rather than dancing a shuffle.

Hell I think history shows that the "New/Great Society" philosophy has failed as much as your contention that trickle down has failed. I always hear arguments (not from you per se) that the proof we should abandon the war on drugs is that we have spent decades and billions and still have not won. Well for practically a parallel period of time we have engaged in a war on poverty and spent many times more on programs, yet it still exists.

Don't get me wrong I support spending for a hand up, but the life long welfare related programs are a fail on a cost benefit basis.
 
Funny thing.....you guys have no problem with wealth redistribution in the form of tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.....but you scream and holler any time the table is turned. You guys are so transparent.

Huh? What are you saying here? The less than "wealthy" got a far bigger chunk of the tax cuts than did the "wealthy." Many Americans were removed from the income tax rolls. That was a 100% tax cut. Did the "wealthy" get 100%. Please explain your thoughts.
 
most millionaires are not paying their fair share.

You're contradicting yourself. Remeber your earlier post please, be consistent.

1. If they are citizens (They are)
2. If the tax rates they pay were put in place legally via our democratic process (they were)
- And they are paying those taxes (the vast majority do, otherwise it's tax evasion...)

According to your own definition they ARE paying their fair share.
But now you're claiming they aren NOT paying their fair share.

Please resolve this so that you actually communicate something meaningful.
 
Huh? What are you saying here? The less than "wealthy" got a far bigger chunk of the tax cuts than did the "wealthy." Many Americans were removed from the income tax rolls. That was a 100% tax cut. Did the "wealthy" get 100%. Please explain your thoughts.

Something the liberals will always ignore

The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all FIT
The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all FIT.
The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all FIT.

The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all FIT.

Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

That 47% equates to approximately 65 Million Americans(140 million people employed today times 47%). Great post, many of these people got a 100% reduction in taxes. Sorry for the mistake of 56 million I posted early.
 
The rich man who clads his progeny in silk diapers with a diamond studded pacifier does a huge disservice to the fop or dandy he produces and raises.

yup, that's america's primary problem today

all those silk diapers

LOL!

you really got your finger on the pulse

vote obama, 2012!

too many diamond studded pacifiers!
 
yup, that's america's primary problem today

all those silk diapers

LOL!

you really got your finger on the pulse

vote obama, 2012!

too many diamond studded pacifiers!

It is indeed one of the problems of America today. America needs strong people who can take initiative and make everything possible of the themselves while contributing to the nation. Some dandy born on third base to a team owned by Daddykins while Mumsy is there to bribe the umpire on close calls foolishly thinks he has hit a home run in life as the fool crosses the plate while the servants are paid to cheer wildly.

Such people are the opposite of America.
 
you still don't get it

you have yet to prove your claim

you cannot prove cause and effect
If you wish to make that argument, then the cause of President Obama's Stimulus bill was because the stock and bond markets were tanking as a result of the housing bubble bursting and the economy being in free-fall from short-selling on the Dow/NYSE. The effect was a stabalization of U.S. financial markets which stopped unemployment from going above it's high of 10.1% and reduced unemployment to as low as 8.9%. Unemployment is now hovering at or around 9.1-9.3%...has on average over the last 9 months.

If you really want to play the cause and effect game, there it is.
 
Something the liberals will always ignore



That 47% equates to approximately 65 Million Americans(140 million people employed today times 47%). Great post, many of these people got a 100% reduction in taxes. Sorry for the mistake of 56 million I posted early.

The top 400 American earners pay just 16-17% of the income in Federal Income taxes.
 
Greenspan has publicly stated that he was wrong

Take a tour of the graduate departments at any good university and you will see that he's not.

Explain if you will.

He seems to think the opinons of grad students means Greenspan never said it. :roll:

In many departments, 35-40% of the graduate students come from other countries. We're the third most populous country in the world but our talent pool (especially in math and the hard sciences) is rather small. We outsource our educational opportunities and cross our fingers that these smart, productive, hardworking individuals decide to immigrate (fortunately many do).

To be fair though, the third world countries where many of these students come from probably don't impose the sort of onerous hardships Catawba described that come with living in the US.

I'm not following what this has to do with Greenspan's acknowledgement of being wrong.

That's good because that's not what you asked me and not what I answered.

Because some people lose their train of thought. Small things tend to get lost easier than larger things
 
Ultimately a bad deal.

LOL!

like you'd know more about it than the folks running proline, adobe and paypal

States court California companies - Jul. 12, 2011

did you see CA's lt gov, gavin so good looking newsom from sf, is traveling to texas to study job creation from the masters

37% of all us jobs created since the end of the recession, june, 09, are IN TEXAS

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
The top 400 American earners pay just 16-17% of the income in Federal Income taxes.

And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?
 
I have to give you props for being honest. Much better than those "conservatives" in this thread who want to increase taxes.

Well, now I am pleasantly surprised. When the Bush tax cuts were made, it did take additional people off the income tax rolls. I thought that was foolhardy. Here is a first, Haymarket and I are in agreement. Which one of us should be afraid? :2dance:
 
you guys have no problem with wealth redistribution in the form of tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.....but you scream and holler any time the table is turned

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

"we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

"the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

"the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

"an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

"not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

"the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

"new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

"what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

"this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

"the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

"we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

"what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

"and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

"at the heart of this state is business"

"we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

"we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

"westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

"it has to end, it has to end this year"

"we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

"put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

"we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

the gub aint just talkin, either

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

and that sophisticated new york audience is going wild

Andrew Cuomo approval sky-high, new poll suggests - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

it's the lay of the land, ladies, the political landscape

ie, reality

from athens to sacto, as inevitable as physics, nothing you can do to stop it

austerity, embrace it
 
You're contradicting yourself. Remeber your earlier post please, be consistent.

1. If they are citizens (They are)
2. If the tax rates they pay were put in place legally via our democratic process (they were)
- And they are paying those taxes (the vast majority do, otherwise it's tax evasion...)

According to your own definition they ARE paying their fair share.
But now you're claiming they aren NOT paying their fair share.

Please resolve this so that you actually communicate something meaningful.

Our tax system is not predicated on people paying their fair share.; it's based on the idea that our tax system should encourage economic growth
 
And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?
Stop with the stawman arguments. Presidents Reagan and both Bush and his father spent plenty. We were well on our way to solving our debt problem until the Bush tax cuts and his misguided wars.
 
And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?


When the top 20% own 84% of our nation’s wealth and it is increasing every year.Kinda looks like were fast approaching the point that they are the only ones that have the dough to pay for our wars.:2wave:
 
So you think a citizens' total tax burden is of no consideration in determining affordability of Federal taxes? That would explain how you think you can get blood from a turnip and why in 2009 one in seven Americans lived in poverty.

It might well be a consideration but it seems clear you're moving away from the debate concerning Federal taxes into other areas that would belong on another thread.

Your point that one ion seven Americans live in poverty is interesting because almost one in two don't pay any federal taxes.

Why this disparity?
 
Says the thread nanny who commented about Bill Ayers. Not too hypocritical

In fact it was related to the philosophy of the current President who is running up the unmanageable federal debt, and is destroying the country in a way Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorm could only imagine in their wildest leftists dreams.
 
I see. Your OT posts are OK. Others relevant posts are not :roll:

In fact it was related to the philosophy of the current President who is running up the unmanageable federal debt, and is destroying the country in a way Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorm could only imagine in their wildest leftists dreams.
 
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