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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Taylor said:
No it's well over $60 trillion given all of the unfunded liabilities (most of it accumulated under democrats, if you want to play the partisan game).
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I'll believe your predictions of the future after you demonstrate the ability to predict the present.
 
Catawba said:
I pay a higher percentage rate of total taxes than you do, and I get less services than you do. I can see how you would like to avoid that fact. Too ****ing bad! :sun
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Yeah you are gonna prove that. as the eldest son and executor of my parents estate that estate paid more money in one day than you will pay in your entire life. You don't get less services than I do so stop the lying

Did you ever go to a public school? have a college loan?
 
Catawba said:
So you think a citizens' total tax burden is of no consideration in determining affordability of Federal taxes? That would explain how you think you can get blood from a turnip and why in 2009 one in seven Americans lived in poverty.
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No, they want to limit the discussion because they know that if ALL the facts are discussed, they lose
 
sangha said:
The thread title speaks of "tax hikes". I don't see where there is any limit on what kind of tax hikes.
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more dishonesty-was Obama talking about hiking state sales taxes or the excise taxes on spirits or firearms (excise tax on spirits was a main source of revenue for the US before the income tax and a main supporter of the income tax were the carry nation types who suggested an income tax to make up for lost excise tax revenues if booze was banned)

No, your master was talking about raising federal income taxes on the "rich" and those who have investment income

so stop the dishonesty
 
TurtleDude said:
thanks for admitting you lied

clothes are not shoes and given your previously almost obsessive fixation with "accuracy" your claim is dishonest
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No. Shoes are clothes. Shoes are a clothing item..
 
TurtleDude said:
so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income? I realize you are in Kansas but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
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TurtleDude said:
thanks for admitting you lied
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Yes, you never said aything about designer clothes :roll:

clothes are not shoes
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Sure they aren't. It's not as if anyone WEARS shoes. :roll:
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah you are gonna prove that. as the eldest son and executor of my parents estate that estate paid more money in one day than you will pay in your entire life. You don't get less services than I do so stop the lying
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I beleive you!! Really, I do!

Btw, I"d love to hear how you measured the services that you use.
 
TurtleDude said:
not using the anal-compulsive nit picking dictates of another poster
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Well you used the exact same reasoning there saying he lied... Just saying ya know...?
But it is common sense that shoes are considered a clothing item... Just saying...
 
TurtleDude said:
more dishonesty-was Obama talking about hiking state sales taxes or the excise taxes on spirits or firearms (excise tax on spirits was a main source of revenue for the US before the income tax and a main supporter of the income tax were the carry nation types who suggested an income tax to make up for lost excise tax revenues if booze was banned)
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The thread title says "tax hikes". It does not limit the hikes to the FIT
 
TurtleDude said:
Yeah you are gonna prove that. as the eldest son and executor of my parents estate that estate paid more money in one day than you will pay in your entire life. You don't get less services than I do so stop the lying

Did you ever go to a public school? have a college loan?
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Is that supposed to make you high and mighty? Is that supposed to make you better than him or us?
 
sangha said:
I beleive you!! Really, I do!

Btw, I"d love to hear how you measured the services that you use.
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its funny how you hump my leg over that point while you not only did not criticize catawba for making a similar claim you thanked him

so not only are your posts dishonest they ooze hypocrisy
 
sangha said:
LOL!!!

No, it depends on what the debt *is*, and not what you'd like to use in order to mislead
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I know it's confusing for you. I only post it because others may benefit.
 
TurtleDude said:
its funny how you hump my leg over that point while you not only did not criticize catawba for making a similar claim you thanked him

so not only are your posts dishonest they ooze hypocrisy
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You're the one who keeps advocating for a system you can't even describe
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Is that supposed to make you high and mighty? Is that supposed to make you better than him or us?
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no its to counter catawba's lies. You sure seem rather sensitive and upset though
 
TurtleDude said:
no its to counter catawba's lies. You sure seem rather sensitive and upset though
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No i just think its kinda lame when people bring in how much money they have your personal qualities into a debate...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No i just think its kinda lame when people bring in how much money they have your personal qualities into a debate...
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and I note that you didn't bash Catawba for his claims. So I find your rant to be specious
 
Catawba said:
Our fear of impoverishing people through taxation has led us to lower taxes on those who are not even at risk of falling to middle class through taxation, while keeping taxes on the lower income families high enough to push them towards, even into, poverty. "
Payroll Taxes & Tax Fairness
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That's certainly one theory. Given what I read on this forum and elsewhere on the internet, I think Greenspan's is more accurate:

The former boss of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, said the reason Gen-Xers are unemployed and suffering from a lower standard of living is because they are lazy, stupid, and unproductive. U.S. companies would be better off hiring immigrants.

"Baby boomers are being replaced by groups of young workers who have regrettably scored rather poorly in international educational match-ups over the last two decades,” said Greenspan. “The average income of U.S. households headed by 25-year-olds and younger has been declining relative to the average income of the baby boomer population. This is a reasonably good indication that the productivity of the younger part of our workforce is declining relative to the level of productivity achieved by the retiring baby boomers. This raises some major concerns about the productive skills of our future U.S. labor force."
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sangha said:
Greenspan has publicly stated that he was wrong
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Take a tour of the graduate departments at any good university and you will see that he's not.
 
TurtleDude said:
You are as extreme left as I am "extreme Right". Its a silly comment as is your claim of someone being delusional because they use "marxist" more loosely than you do
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Hardly, but even if I were, it wouldn't make you any less delusional. ;)
 
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