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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Terrific! Now, how about providing what the amounts of the cuts were in total for the "wealthy" and others? In case I am not clear, what amount did all of the "wealthy" get and how much did all of the others get?

That has already been posted. Why post it again if you ignored it the 1st time
 
I believe it was you that I previously told was that I would rather be dumb that be a dishonest liar. And you prefer the latter. Thwppppppppt!

Anyone who believes that politicians tell the truth has had your wish come true for them
 
Allowing a national default is equivalent to a national dine-and-dash. Whatever you think of the decision that led to your bill, you still have to pay for it.
 
I've already provided documention to show the total amount of cuts. The average total cuts for the rich was $58,000 per year per household. The avereage total cut for the middle class was just a little over $1,000 per year per household.

That's okay. I know that looking up facts can be difficult for some people. I've done this one before so I will do it.
 
Everyone who acts in a self-interested way may be described, loosely, as greedy. Economists often make use of this sort of loose language. A person who who is content with what they have is still "greedy" for that which they have and take contentment in. Everyone who acts to fulfill their self interest is doing so for a self-interested motivation, and acts to fulfill that as best they can. It's the most predictable human behavior, and it's why we have the law of supply and demand.

One might have a high net worth or a low net worth. One might have noble motives, such as a charity, or one might have base and avaricious motives, such as living in opulence. But all are essentially "greedy."

Wrong. Self interest is not the same as greed. Some people believe that risking their lives to protect the nation is in their self interest. Suffering has a redemptive potential. Not everyone sees the world through the selfish filter of rightwing ideology
 
Anyone who believes that politicians tell the truth has had your wish come true for them

Well, we know that Democrats have lied and that is easily proven. We know you do not object to it and that's all we need to know.
 
Wrong. Self interest is not the same as greed. Some people believe that risking their lives to protect the nation is in their self interest. Suffering has a redemptive potential. Not everyone sees the world through the selfish filter of rightwing ideology

Greed is what makes makes the world go round. What you view it as a selfish filter of rightwing ideology, is actually taking the scientific approach to economics (to the extent such a thing is possible).

Have you ever seen the movie Wall Street? Human greed is, at least, reliable.
 
You are now cornered into the weakest of fall-back arguments. You lost.

By your reasoning if:

1. If majority votes for a specific tax rate
2. If you are a U.S. citizen
Then, what you pay is termed "your fair share" by the american people.

I fixed that for you
 
Stop asking others to do your homework for you.

I thought you might be smart enough to look things up and perhaps learn something, but that's okay. I'll do it for you.
 
Greed is what makes makes the world go round. What you view it as a selfish filter of rightwing ideology, is actually taking the scientific approach to economics (to the extent such a thing is possible).

Have you ever seen the movie Wall Street? Human greed is, at least, reliable.

Nothing you have said in that post refutes anything that I said. I'm not sure why you're responding to a post of mine when you don't seem to disagree with anything I said in it.
 
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Greed is what makes makes the world go round. What you view it as a selfish filter of rightwing ideology, is actually taking the scientific approach to economics (to the extent such a thing is possible).

Have you ever seen the movie Wall Street? Human greed is, at least, reliable.

I agree, human greed is natural, its instinctual to hoard and predictable. However, unlike other animals, I believe we are trying to use the energy that greed can provide to accomplish things, while guiding it in more altruistic directions. If greed is predictable, there's no reason we can't treat it like a horse, break it/tame it and use it for the greater good. I also believe that greed exists at different levels in different people, which is why we have the ability to step back, look at the negative consequences of greed and try to harness it.
 
Everyone who acts in a self-interested way may be described, loosely, as greedy. Economists often make use of this sort of loose language. A person who who is content with what they have is still "greedy" for that which they have and take contentment in. Everyone who acts to fulfill their self interest is doing so for a self-interested motivation, and acts to fulfill that as best they can. It's the most predictable human behavior, and it's why we have the law of supply and demand.

One might have a high net worth or a low net worth. One might have noble motives, such as a charity, or one might have base and avaricious motives, such as living in opulence. But all are essentially "greedy."

That's so loose, it no longer has meaning. To attribute the word "greedy" to an action, and to separate it from normal behavior, requires that it be unreasonable or excessive. But that doesn't address my point really. Everyone trying to screw over everyone else is a terrible system. That's the system that brought us the Dark Ages, where might made right, and military oppression was law. The free market doesn't work, and never has. People find ways to cheat, to use underhanded and immoral tactics, and sometimes straight up murder the competition. A completely free market, or even one free enough to achieve the aims you want it to aim, is completely impossible. It requires, instead of written, enforced rules, a set of unspoken rules that everyone follows by choice. The last several thousand years of history show us that without enforced rules, people don't follow them.
 
Read my lips!! All politicians lie

Only the hyper partisans would try to deny it

Yes, all politicians lie, how could they not? They are humans after all. As a student of psychology, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't been dishonest at some point in their life .. people who think otherwise would likely be considered delusional by most of those in the human sciences fields.
 
I agree, human greed is natural, its instinctual to hoard and predictable. However, unlike other animals, I believe we are trying to use the energy that greed can provide to accomplish things, while guiding it in more altruistic directions. If greed is predictable, there's no reason we can't treat it like a horse, break it/tame it and use it for the greater good. I also believe that greed exists at different levels in different people, which is why we have the ability to step back, look at the negative consequences of greed and try to harness it.

Rape and murder are based on human nature, but since we are humans, we can rise above our animal instincts.
 
It is a lie to say that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy caused the deficit. Here are the actual facts:

Following is a breakdown on some of the key measures and their costs, based on revenue estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation, unless otherwise noted.

Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone for two years.

The bulk of that cost -- $463 billion -- is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

The rest -- $81.5 billion -- is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.

The cost of extending all the tax cuts over 10 years would have been $3.7 trillion.


Source: Bush tax cut deal and surprise stimulus - what they cost - Dec. 7, 2010

As you can see, if the Bush tax cuts increased the deficit, the increase came primarily from tax cuts for the non-"wealthy." As you can see, I have chosen a highly conservative news organization for my numbers. NOT!
 
is the trickle smelling like urine?
those who serve as lackies for the rich are masters of self delusion...

and those who constantly whine about the rich are really pissing on themselves with the urine of defeat. Populist rantings are useless-why not tell us what your alternative to the alleged trickle down system is
 
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