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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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It took 3 decades of too much spending and tax cuts for the wealthy to create our debt problem. I will require 30 years of cutting spending and tax cuts to the wealthy to fix. Until we come to that realization things will continue on as they have been.

Could you please provide a breakdown with regards to the Bush tax cuts as far as how much went to the "wealthy" and how much went to everyone else?
 
30 years of "eliminating tax cuts"? :lamo

So what rate do you want the more successful to pay compared to you?

As we have seen first hand through the last 30 years, there was no qualification to be successful, or even to produce jobs or invest in this country, to get your tax cut. The only stipulation was that your income be over a certain amount. It actually would have made some sense to provide tax cuts to only those that invest in new jobs or businesses in this country, but that was not the case.
 
hate to break it to you, that's the AMERICAN way.

Erod, I hate to say this, but liblady is correct. The American people, by and large, are irresponsible people. They do not spend their own money within their means. That are sadly up to their eyeballs in debt. And, they have not saved enough money for retirement. Frugality, self-discipline, self-sufficiency, and personal responsiblity are no longer the AMERICAN way. And, our Congressmen are no different. It's truly a sad state of affairs, but liblady is correct.
 
What the far right can't understand is how clueless many of you Americans are.


There is no "eroding financial position" - it's made slight gains, but has been more or less stagnant for decades.

And, while Piketty and Saez lead you around with that ring in your nose and work you all up on Bush and those money-hungry Republicans... you might want to extend that chart back another eight years, when the top 10% (not the top 0.01%) saw an increase on the order of 80%. If you're concerned about income inequality, why the hell are you looking at 2000-06?

Wrong again. The chart clearly shows the bottom 90% losing out
 
Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

That's perfectly fine, Mr. President, then we don't have a deal.

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What is the end game here? Continue to raise the debt ceiling, continue to tax "the rich" dispraportionatley, for what end?


I think I read somewhere if you taxed "the rich" 100% you would have 11 days.... that's it....


I think most of this is class envy and desire to get something folks do not deserve.

Cut the spending. you want to open the wound further to stop the bleeding, someday, enough is enough, today is that day.

The end game is making the rich pay their fair share. I think most of the class warfare is a greedy desire for the rich to control everything.

Increase taxes on the rich to stop the bleeding. Enough is enough
 
I believe Catawba wants to raise taxes on the rich, not the successful. Success in life has nothing to do with money.

That's quite true.

So why, instead of saying "Tax The Rich!", doesn't Barrack Obama say that the American people can enjoy their lives with less money? That they should mind their own business and get on with their lives rather than constantly asking others to give them more?
 
so in otherwords, Obama is the "party of no"..... thanks for the irony lesson and the concession, chief.

Wrong, Rev...er...I mean ReverendHellh0und.....it is pretty clear, at least to most of the American people who the "party of No" is.....and the GOP provides further evidence of it every day.
 
You're misreading. There is plenty of evidence of the damages of smoking, something you do not have with taxes and the economy.
No YOU'RE misreading. Saying there is no evidence of a negative influence of taxes on the economy -- especially using your reasoning -- is burying your head in the sand, not unlike those who could see no evidence that smoking was a health risk.

Fortunately, the vast majority of economists disagree with you. Even Obama disagrees with you.

From today's New York Times:
Industrialized nations have almost always adopted a combination of [tax increases and spending cuts] to cut debt, according to an International Monetary Fund survey last year. The fund, which examined 30 instances dating to the 1980s, found that nations on average closed half the gap with tax increases and half with spending cuts.

Both approaches cause immediate economic pain, but the dominant school of economic theory predicts that tax increases should be somewhat less painful to the nation’s economy. A $100 spending cut reduces economic activity by $100, while an equivalent tax hike will be paid partly from savings, so that spending is reduced by a smaller amount.

Recent studies, however, have found the opposite: Countries that rely primarily on spending cuts tend to experience less economic pain in the short term. Moreover, in some cases, the cuts seem to spur faster growth.

The monetary fund study reported that a 1 percent fiscal consolidation achieved primarily through tax increases reduced economic activity by 1.3 percent over two years, while an identical consolidation driven primarily by spending cuts reduced activity by 0.3 percent.

"It's coming to be accepted wisdom that it’s better to have spending cuts than tax increases," said Alan Auerbach, an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley.
Of course, Obama realizes this too, but his desire to raise taxes is driven more by his desire to punish the rich (i.e. "fairness") than reduce the deficit.
 
That's quite true.

So why, instead of saying "Tax The Rich!", doesn't Barrack Obama say that the American people can enjoy their lives with less money? That they should mind their own business and get on with their lives rather than constantly asking others to give them more?

That would be nice. I don't think any president in recent memory has said anything like that. But it would be nice.
 
So, "don't call my bluff", "there must be tax increases", and "the debt ceilign must be raised", in order to negotiate, is "Compromise" and "working towards a solution"?


I think it was obama who threw a tantrum, sceamed "no" and left the table, no?

No, it was the rightwing extremists who demand spending cuts or they will take down the economy

But I'm not worried. Not raising the debt ceiling would hurt Big Business, which owns the RNC. The repubs will do what their corporate masters tell them to do
 
That's perfectly fine, Mr. President, then we don't have a deal.

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Good....I hope that you are right. And the Party of NO will pay dearly for their incompetence and childishness. The American people expect Congress to work to find solutions....all that the GOP is offering is continuning to be the party of No ideas.
 
No, American people know how to run their household budget, and that when money runs dry, it's dry. Obama believes in just signing up for more credit cards, and paying the old cards with the new cards. It's the Obama way.

Households don't get to print their own money, or remove money from the money supply of the nation.

Comparing the federal budget to a households' budget is like comparing an abacus to a computer
 
No, it was the rightwing extremists who demand spending cuts or they will take down the economy

But I'm not worried. Not raising the debt ceiling would hurt Big Business, which owns the RNC. The repubs will do what their corporate masters tell them to do

Just like the Dems blindly follow orders from their big union bosses.

I don't see why anyone should trust either side.
 
The end game is making the rich pay their fair share. I think most of the class warfare is a greedy desire for the rich to control everything.

Increase taxes on the rich to stop the bleeding. Enough is enough

Who caused the bleeding in the first place?

The rich are already paying their fair share, and more.

It's those with less money who are being greedy and wanting more, not the rich. It's those with less intelligence and ambition who want something for nothing, not the rich..
 
That's quite true.

So why, instead of saying "Tax The Rich!", doesn't Barrack Obama say that the American people can enjoy their lives with less money? That they should mind their own business and get on with their lives rather than constantly asking others to give them more?

In other words, you agree with the Republicans idea that it should be solved solely by cuts to the elderly and pooerest among us, and leave the wealthiest alone. Talk about class warfare.
 
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