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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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UtahBill said:
let the Bush tax cuts expire....for all.....simple as that....
If tax cuts are key to job creation, we should have next to no unemployment right now...
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Exactly! But we still have those that insist on waiting to be trickled down on!
 
sangha said:
SO far, the only people I see agreeing with you are rightwingers, who have a long record of screwing up the economy and racking up debt
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You see only what you want to see. If you wish to remain ignorant, that's certainly your choice. By all means, pick up that remote control, have another handful of chips, and carry on about how the rich make so much money off of your intelligence and hard work.
 
haymarket said:
Perhaps he was mirroring your comments to make a point which you may or may not have picked up on?
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Yes, but this is the wrong thread for discussing our failing school systems.
 
TurtleDude said:
what sangha has done is to respond to my points by copying what I said and change it enough to become socialist babble rather than the point i made. its juvenile
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It is so juvenile I have stopped responding to his messages entirely.
 
ElCid said:
Let's crash the economy and Government, to make a point about borrowing and spending, to hurt Obama, and to see what the heck happens. It might not be that bad, after all. Crash it. Make no deals with Obama. Crash the damned thing.
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LOL. The only "bad" thing that will happen is that a very obnoxious federal government will be forced to become smaller.

But if you want to raise taxes let us have the reverse deal from the previous ones struck between a (democratically-controlled) Congress and a (Republican) President. Let's do all of the spending cuts this year with a promise that a future Congress will raise taxes.
 
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sangha said:
most wealthy people will do anything to hurt the middle class yet people like you want to reward them because they work less than the middle class. For every robber baron there are a 100 middle class people who did the right things and made the right choices to get where they are
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Seriously? You honestly believe this to be true? I assume you exclude all those hollywood stars, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Moore, The Kennedy Clan am I correct?
 
Oh goodie, class warfare. As I'm in the intellectual class, I'm with the rich guys. We don't have a good track record with the unwashed masses or lefties. Frankly, I find lefty intellects suicidal at best.

So far we got two poor guys, right?
 
"Say what you want about trade, taxes, heath care, the credit crunch, and oil prices; the meta economic issue of our time is the eroding financial position of the American middle class that is now reaching an acute stage.

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We learn, first, that nine of ten Americans average $30,000 a year, and, second, that that number has been going in the wrong direction. But wait. The economy was in a period of economic growth from 2001 through 2006. Where did the money go?

Cover your left eye."

Turning Point: Middle Class Under Seige : Columbia Journalism Review
 
snilloctjc said:
Seriously? You honestly believe this to be true? I assume you exclude all those hollywood stars, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Moore, The Kennedy Clan am I correct?
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Most | Define Most at Dictionary.com

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1.
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Catawba said:
"Say what you want about trade, taxes, heath care, the credit crunch, and oil prices; the meta economic issue of our time is the eroding financial position of the American middle class that is now reaching an acute stage.

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We learn, first, that nine of ten Americans average $30,000 a year, and, second, that that number has been going in the wrong direction. But wait. The economy was in a period of economic growth from 2001 through 2006. Where did the money go?

Cover your left eye."

Turning Point: Middle Class Under Seige : Columbia Journalism Review
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Here's where it went

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sangha said:
the rich rationalize their selfish greed and fool the rightwing dupes with faith based nonsense that those who do better than you earned it. what the right is really saying is that the middle class deserves to be impoverished because they engaged in nefarious or dishonest schemes.
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pardon me for laughing, but you're so shrill

you're can't win elections in america by making the electorates' ears bleed

carry on, kamenev
 
sangha said:
Here's where it went

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Yet the far right can't understand why the great majority of American voters think tax cuts for the wealthy need to be eliminated along with cutting spending to reduce the deficit.
 
snilloctjc said:
Seriously? You honestly believe this to be true? I assume you exclude all those hollywood stars, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Michael Moore, The Kennedy Clan am I correct?
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I wouldn't exclude the Hollywood stars or Michael Moore, either.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly! But we still have those that insist on waiting to be trickled down on!
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is the trickle smelling like urine?
those who serve as lackies for the rich are masters of self delusion...
 
UtahBill said:
is the trickle smelling like urine?
those who serve as lackies for the rich are masters of self delusion...
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I see you are familiar with our 30 year experiment in trickle down economics. :sun
 
So "no deal without tax hikes", "don't call my bluff", "no deal until debt ceiling is raised"...


Once again, who isn't compromising?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Once again, who isn't compromising?
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The Dems have offered $3 in spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases. The GOP, on the other hand, have offered no concessions.
 
Catawba said:
The Dems have offered $3 in spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases. The GOP, on the other hand, have offered no concessions.
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Exactly.

Now the senate is going to stay in and grapple until they come up with a solution. If only they'd lose contact with the press.
 
Catawba said:
The Dems have offered $3 in spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases. The GOP, on the other hand, have offered no concessions.
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This isn't completley true, most of these "Cuts" wouldn't take effect until 2014 or later..... that would be a shell game, not a compromise.
 
Catawba said:
The Dems have offered $3 in spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases. The GOP, on the other hand, have offered no concessions.
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They did the same thing with Reagan and then did the exact opposite. It's not going to be bought this time.
 
Catawba said:
Yet the far right can't understand why the great majority of American voters think tax cuts for the wealthy need to be eliminated along with cutting spending to reduce the deficit.
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What the far right can't understand is how clueless many of you Americans are.

Catawba said:
"Say what you want about trade, taxes, heath care, the credit crunch, and oil prices; the meta economic issue of our time is the eroding financial position of the American middle class that is now reaching an acute stage.

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There is no "eroding financial position" - it's made slight gains, but has been more or less stagnant for decades.

And, while Piketty and Saez lead you around with that ring in your nose and work you all up on Bush and those money-hungry Republicans... you might want to extend that chart back another eight years, when the top 10% (not the top 0.01%) saw an increase on the order of 80%. If you're concerned about income inequality, why the hell are you looking at 2000-06?
 
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