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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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ReverendHellh0und said:
Actually we offer a fair price for our services, we feel no need to gouge our customers and often will have to bid on selected work with the government, often reducing our rates in order to get the job.


So yes, not gouging your customers is a good way to run a business. :thumbs:
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So a restaurant raises the price of a sandwich from $4.00 to $4.25 and they're gouging their customers?
 
FilmFestGuy said:
So a restaurant raises the price of a sandwich from $4.00 to $4.25 and they're gouging their customers?
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Depends on the quality of the sandwich.


And probably not because he had to raise it due to yet another fee or another tax increase.
 
Boo Radley said:
If these deals are in writing, part of the actual budget, there's nothing you have to wait for. Like increases, the cuts would be part of the legislation. So, no, a serious person would demand both. And increases can be done so that they pose no reserious effect on the economy.
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Just like the 80s and 90s, heh? No thanks.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
So you're saying that if you owned a business, you would NEVER raise prices if you weren't profiting?

Is that a good way to run a business?
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Sure, if business was booming but you still weren't profiting you might consider raising prices. But in the current situation, where you're not profiting because you've already lost a sizable number of customers, raising prices seems like a very stupid thing to do.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Depends on the quality of the sandwich.


And probably not because he had to raise it due to yet another fee or another tax increase.
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And the quality of the Federal sandwich is pretty close to pure sewage. It would be gouging if we cut the budget by only 10%,
 
liblady said:
um...what was wrong with our economy in the ninties?
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Not much. Gingrich and crew did a fine job. However, I was not talking about the economy. I was talking about the failed promises [read: lies] of the Democrats to cut spending in exchange for increased taxes.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Depends on the quality of the sandwich.


And probably not because he had to raise it due to yet another fee or another tax increase.
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Get your head off taxes for a sec: a bad businessman would refuse to look at prices if he was not making a profit. Period.
 
sangha said:
Too many jobs :roll:
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Yea...remember when we were told a 39.6% rate would destroy the economy? And that hiking the minimum wage would cause us to LOSE jobs.

God, the 1990s were SOOOO terrible. What an awful time to be in business. It was like you were under constant attack.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Yea...remember when we were told a 39.6% rate would destroy the economy? And that hiking the minimum wage would cause us to LOSE jobs.

God, the 1990s were SOOOO terrible. What an awful time to be in business. It was like you were under constant attack.
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The first graph shows job growth trending upwards under a Democratic House. The 2nd shows the job growth trend after the repubs took over the House.

What is the difference?

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FilmFestGuy said:
Yea...remember when we were told a 39.6% rate would destroy the economy? And that hiking the minimum wage would cause us to LOSE jobs.

God, the 1990s were SOOOO terrible. What an awful time to be in business. It was like you were under constant attack.
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You guys are hysterical. One person misreads a comment and others jump on it as if it were a truth. LOL! You guys really are a stitch!
 
LesGovt said:
I was talking about the failed promises [read: lies] of the Democrats to cut spending in exchange for increased taxes.
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What amuses me most is how much they sold themselves as hardlined fiscal conservatives when they took over Congress. One of the first things they did was pass that Pay-Go bill.

Pelosi: "When I became speaker of the House ... our majority made PAYGO the rule of the House -- that if you wanted to have an investment, an entitlement, etc., you had to pay for it. There was no open-ended spending."
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Yeah... no open-ended spending except... all discretionary spending, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, tax cut extensions, estate tax reductions, AMT exemptions, as well as anything the majority wishes to use a waiver on - unemployment benefits, a new veterans' entitlement, a $787 billion dollar stimulus bill...

Other than that, Nancy is right, if you wanted to have an investment, an entitlement, etc., you had to pay for it. Now THAT'S fiscal discipline.
 
liblady said:
um...what was wrong with our economy in the ninties?
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You did not follow the train of thought of my discussion. No problem. We all make mistakes. :)
 
LesGovt said:
Not much. Gingrich and crew did a fine job. However, I was not talking about the economy. I was talking about the failed promises [read: lies] of the Democrats to cut spending in exchange for increased taxes.
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show me the lies?
 
WhyteRash said:
IMO, to raise revenue by closing loopholes/exemptions/freebies/welfare/etc., isnt raising taxes.
and where the hell are the so called "job creators".. theyve had these breaks for about a decade, so where's the jobs? or should i ask 'in what country are they creating the jobs?'
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The jobs are in China. Last year I went to buy a pair of cowboy boots and guess what.... they were made in China. The only cowboy boot factory left here in the USA is Tony Lama. This is a crying shame. Most jobs are in China and other parts of the world. How about getting our jobs back here to the USA??
 
LesGovt said:
You guys are hysterical. One person misreads a comment and others jump on it as if it were a truth. LOL! You guys really are a stitch!
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What's funny is saying that a mild tax increase will destroy an economy when there's ample proof that it won't.

What's riotous is saying a minimum wage hike will destroy tons of jobs when it's been proven time and time again that it may have a very brief impact on number of jobs, but it long-term boosts the economy.

What's even funnier is calling people "job creators" when they've done nothing but lay people off for about three years and reap the profits.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
At least Obama is doing something right! Im 110% for raising taxes on top 25% of income by at least 5%. And again Im all for removing all illegals in the US and for greatly restricting welfare plus eliminating most all of corporate welfare. Plus all State Unions must be eliminated.
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what sort of libertarian oozes such envy of the top tax payers? why shouldn't people like you-those who take more from the government than they pay in taxes not face an increase?
 
FilmFestGuy said:
What's funny is saying that a mild tax increase will destroy an economy when there's ample proof that it won't.

What's riotous is saying a minimum wage hike will destroy tons of jobs when it's been proven time and time again that it may have a very brief impact on number of jobs, but it long-term boosts the economy.

What's even funnier is calling people "job creators" when they've done nothing but lay people off for about three years and reap the profits.
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What's truly sad is to watch liberals believe that taking more money from people is a good thing.

What's truly sad is to think that increasing the minimum wage does not hurt anyone.

What is even more truly sad is that liberals think the Democrats have the correct economic and fiscal policy for the United States.

Pathetic! Truly pathetic.
 
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TurtleDude said:
what sort of libertarian oozes such envy of the top tax payers? why shouldn't people like you-those who take more from the government than they pay in taxes not face an increase?
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It's the red states that recieve the most welfare from the fed govt
 
sangha said:
It's the red states that recieve the most welfare from the fed govt
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that has no relevance to who pays the most tax and only a moron would believe that a state is all red or blue

what is Ohio? it voted Obama in the last presidential election, voted in a mostly GOP state government in 2010 and has one dem senator and one GOP senator?
 
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