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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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TheDemSocialist said:
Dude, dont even play that card on how Republicans have been acting about these whole talks...
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Twitter I just saw. The republicans are getting their asses handed to them, post after post after tweet after twitter.

Someone get the floor jack, apparently Cantor has fallen straight through his asshole. Again. sigh..
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Also

"Obama lit him up. Cantor sat in stunned silence. If the public saw this Obama would win in a landslide"
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BDBoop said:
Twitter I just saw. The republicans are getting their asses handed to them, post after post after tweet after twitter.



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To be fair.

The Twitter population is not representative of the American population at large.
 
BDBoop said:
What an ASS.
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The President isn't an 'ass' to offer up gimmicks and fake savings. That's how he's used to getting stuff done. It's just that we can't afford to do it anymore, and he doesn't seem to be fully grasping that reality.
 
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j-mac said:
The arrogance and child like ego of our current president...I mean the relive should not sit with him again. He offers nothing of substance, and expects to run the meeting like a dictator. I think that at this point the house should pass a bill pass it to the senate and tell the people the real deal concerning demo liars.

J-mac
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Yes, he is arrogant. It's just a matter of time before he can't think of any mistakes that he's made. :lol
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Dude, dont even play that card on how Republicans have been acting about these whole talks...
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Republicans have been pretty clear this entire time: cut spending equal or greater than the debt ceiling rise. It's the President who spent most of the year demanding a "clean" bill, only to have Republicans put that up for a vote, demonstrate how even Democrats would vote that down. The President who had then spent most of a year complaining that we should pass a "clean" bill then went on national television and castigated Republicans for not wanting to "take the opportunity to do something big". At that point, he basically offered his previous budget (4 "trillion in cuts", greater tax increases, and price controls) that had already gotten zero votes in Senate up, calling it a "big, Bi Partisan Solution" and accused Republicans of holding a gun to the head of the American people.

The President accuses others of demagoguery in the breath before he demagogues them. He pretends to be the Serious Parent, asking "if not now when". When? How about when he spent two years not pushing Congressional Democrats to pass a budget? How about when he punted to the Debt Reduction Commission that HE assigned and then ignored their proposals? How about when he offered a "budget" that was so unserious that not even a single democrat was willing to attach their name to it? How about when he accused Republicans of not being serious about deficit reduction and governing, so Republicans actually brought forth a budget that seriously addressed painful decisions, and his response was to accuse them of going after autistic children and peoples' grandmothers?

The President refuses to provide specifics or leadership, but someone needs to, so he waits for Republican congressional leadership to fill the void and then he demagogues them for doing so.
 
cpwill said:
Republicans have been pretty clear this entire time: cut spending equal or greater than the debt ceiling rise. It's the President who spent most of the year demanding a "clean" bill, only to have Republicans put that up for a vote, demonstrate how even Democrats would vote that down. The President who had then spent most of a year complaining that we should pass a "clean" bill then went on national television and castigated Republicans for not wanting to "take the opportunity to do something big". At that point, he basically offered his previous budget (4 "trillion in cuts", greater tax increases, and price controls) that had already gotten zero votes in Senate up, calling it a "big, Bi Partisan Solution" and accused Republicans of holding a gun to the head of the American people.

The President accuses others of demagoguery in the breath before he demagogues them. He pretends to be the Serious Parent, asking "if not now when". When? How about when he spent two years not pushing Congressional Democrats to pass a budget? How about when he punted to the Debt Reduction Commission that HE assigned and then ignored their proposals? How about when he offered a "budget" that was so unserious that not even a single democrat was willing to attach their name to it? How about when he accused Republicans of not being serious about deficit reduction and governing, so Republicans actually brought forth a budget that seriously addressed painful decisions, and his response was to accuse them of going after autistic children and peoples' grandmothers?

The President refuses to provide specifics or leadership, but someone needs to, so he waits for Republican congressional leadership to fill the void and then he demagogues them for doing so.
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Yes, the repubs have been clear. Just as clear as they were in 2000, when they promised to cut spending and the deficit, and the national debt. But once elected, the increased spending, the deficit, and the national debt.

Repubs have almost always spoken clearly.
 
sangha said:
Yes, the repubs have been clear. Just as clear as they were in 2000, when they promised to cut spending and the deficit, and the national debt. But once elected, the increased spending, the deficit, and the national debt.

Repubs have almost always spoken clearly.
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So you prefer to go with the certainty of high debt with the Democrats versus the uncertainty of the Republicans. Is that correct?
 
No society has prospered in the history of man during a time of war. Do not kid yourself we are still at war. We should not be surprised that home loans, Wall Street and our debt have been left to police itself. When you fight a war you need money so you cut regulators and policing functions of the SEC, EPA, FDA, etc , etc When you take people and instead of 2 people per 100 there is now 1 per 100 more falls through. In 11 years we, because of war, have left the industry of America to the companies. And companies are in it for the money, and at the end of the day want to make the most money any way possible through any means.
Curing the debt will take budget cuts, INCLUDING DEFENSE, which is where a huge cut should start. And returning taxes for ALL Americans to Clinton era levels and closing loop holes is what will start this. IT WILL BE PAINFULL for ALL. Not just the poor or middle class
 
Well, tax hikes are just as essential as spending cuts to stabilizing things, but stubborn tactics and ultimatums are childish. I expect more from Obama than to parrot the nonsense spewed by his enemies. He's smarter and more civilized than they are.
 
Grant said:
So you prefer to go with the certainty of high debt with the Democrats versus the uncertainty of the Republicans. Is that correct?
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The certainty of high debt is greater when the repubs are in charge.

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czarboom said:
No society has prospered in the history of man during a time of war. Do not kid yourself we are still at war. We should not be surprised that home loans, Wall Street and our debt have been left to police itself. When you fight a war you need money so you cut regulators and policing functions of the SEC, EPA, FDA, etc , etc When you take people and instead of 2 people per 100 there is now 1 per 100 more falls through. In 11 years we, because of war, have left the industry of America to the companies. And companies are in it for the money, and at the end of the day want to make the most money any way possible through any means.
Curing the debt will take budget cuts, INCLUDING DEFENSE, which is where a huge cut should start. And returning taxes for ALL Americans to Clinton era levels and closing loop holes is what will start this. IT WILL BE PAINFULL for ALL. Not just the poor or middle class
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Good post and welcome to DP!! You're off to a good start
 
sangha said:
The certainty of high debt is greater when the repubs are in charge
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So it's your contention that the Republicans are now trying to increase the debt while the Obama Administration is fighting to balance the budget?
 
Grant said:
So it's your contention that the Republicans are now trying to increase the debt while the Obama Administration is fighting to balance the budget?
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No, but your inability to dispute anything I've actually said indicates your lack of any point.
 
sangha said:
No, but your inability to dispute anything I've actually said indicates your lack of any point.
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Well as we are discussing the Obama administration ( Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes ) and not past administrations it would seem more appropriate to discuss the present imbroglio rather than historical disputes. Do you agree?
 
Grant said:
Well as we are discussing the Obama administration ( Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes ) and not past administrations it would seem more appropriate to discuss the present imbroglio rather than historical disputes. Do you agree?
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No, I do not.
 
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sangha said:
Yes, the repubs have been clear. Just as clear as they were in 2000, when they promised to cut spending and the deficit, and the national debt. But once elected, the increased spending, the deficit, and the national debt.

Repubs have almost always spoken clearly.
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truth.

until now. now it finally almost seems as though we have a set of Congressional Republicans willing to demonstrate the courage of their (supposed) convictions.

so, of course, we will castigate them on it. because we only pretend to want responsible governance.
 
sangha said:
The certainty of high debt is greater when the repubs are in charge.
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woops :).



looks like someone isn't aware that (as per the Constitution), spending originates in the House of Representatives:


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cpwill said:
woops :).



looks like someone isn't aware that (as per the Constitution), spending originates in the House of Representatives:


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Woops :).

Looks like some one is unaware that the president submits the budget and has veto power.

See what I did there?
 
In 8 of the 12 years the Republicans controlled the spending, the deficit went down the following year and the 4 years it went up were all in the years immediately after the 9-11 attack. Despite the huge blow to the economy and the expenses of fighting two wars, deficit spending peaked in 2004 and was declining sharply until the Democrats regained control of the House in 2007.

Meanwhile, in 18 of the 24 years the Democrats controlled the federal purse strings, the deficit rose the following year....
 
Redress said:
Woops :).

Looks like some one is unaware that the president submits the budget and has veto power.

See what I did there?
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:) so you are saying yes, it is Obama's fault that our deficit is the size it is, and that we haven't had a budget two years running?
 
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