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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Иосиф Сталин;1059644029 said:
I request all moderators and website administrators to proceed with the elimination of Bassman's account. His continous slandering and name calling of other users is undermining the quality of the debate and turning this place into a tavern instead of a serious political forum where one can debate with a minimum of civility.
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Off to the Gulag with him then.
 
Ikari said:
and taxes raised.
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Interesting libertarian perspective

the correct position is cut cut cut until only proper government expenditures remain

then you might argue for tax hikes but not before that
 
upsideguy said:
So why does it work in Germany where labor and government are even more expensive than that of the US. Germany has a strong manufacturing base. They do not off-shore like we do here.

BTW... Germany also has much higher taxes and a superior healthcare system that all citizens participate in....
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The grass always appears greener in the other cows pastures. They have their own difficulties. They have their own problems.
 
Thunder said:
in fact, any American citizen who moves his factory to another country, thereby putting hundreds if not thousands of people out of work in the USA, should have their American citizenship REVOKED.
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Perhaps we should close down those extra-constitutional departments who churn out regulations. That would have the far greater effect.
 
Redress said:
Facts are good: The reality is that when figuring in all spending, there was no Clinton surplus. The economy did better under Clinton than any other president in my lifetime, and reduced the deficit by more than any other president, but overstating what he did just makes it easy for people to dismiss your comments.
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Thank goodness for his Republican-controlled Congress.
 
j-mac said:
And you failed to give us a source for your chart which only leads me to believe that they are not facts, but more revision of actual numbers.

j-mac
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Perhaps the more important piece of information is to determine who controlled the Congress during each of those years. Since all spending originates in the House of Representatives it might be instructive to see that chart.
 
j-mac said:
Even if I am to take at face value this graph, you want me to hold that Geithner, the man that Obama trots out to make excuses for him as some paragon of the truth? Really....lol
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Are you really casting aspersion on Tax-cheat Tim?
 
The Barbarian said:
no I don't .. . I just know what I'm spending in the grocery stores .. and other needed expenses to survive .. and I'm sorry .. it seems like a hole lot more then 1.6 % more .. that was the only reason I asked if you really believed those numbers
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Watch out for politicians and bureaucrats. They probably have an asterisk that says *excluding gasoline and groceries...
 
donsutherland1 said:
yesterday one talk show host hailed the prospect of a failure to raise the debt ceiling as a new 'Independence Day' of sorts. He declared:
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I completely agree with the talk show host.

For America to win the Republicans just need to talk out the calendar. The let the one term Marxist president pay our debts and slash the size of government.
 
TurtleDude said:
or ten parasites who move into a community and vote away the wealth of the 4 people who actually pay taxes
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Your utter contempt for America, its people and their government is duly noted.
 
TurtleDude said:
that is why so many voters continually vote for more spending-they figure they don't have to pay the taxes to fund that crap
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And which party makes them think that they won't have to pay taxes.....I wonder.....
 
Misterveritis said:
I completely agree with the talk show host.

For America to win the Republicans just need to talk out the calendar. The let the one term Marxist president pay our debts and slash the size of government.
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He can start by not paying Congress. Why should they get paid?
 
Redress said:
So in other words, you think you are more accurate the the government because you can see the little picture. When you can document your claim, feel free to get back to me.
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We know the government lies. It does so every month with the unemployment figures. They paint a rosier picture each month than is warranted. Then in the following month they revise their numbers to reflect the truth.
 
haymarket said:
Your utter contempt for America, its people and their government is duly noted.
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nah, I have utter contempt of those who gain wealth and power by buying the votes of the parasites. Many of the parasites cannot help their subservient position-70 years of dem policies have pretty much mutated them beyond help
 
TurtleDude said:
or ten parasites who move into a community and vote away the wealth of the 4 people who actually pay taxes
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A majority of Americans are terrible parasites who want your money. Another winning slogan for the GOP.
 
Misterveritis said:
I completely agree with the talk show host.

For America to win the Republicans just need to talk out the calendar. The let the one term Marxist president pay our debts and slash the size of government.
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Republicans won't do that. Their corporate masters have already forbidden it.

What you're seeing is a Kabuki play designed to convince voters on both sides that their "representatives" are fighting for them
 
rocket88 said:
And which party makes them think that they won't have to pay taxes.....I wonder.....
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both parties

the GOP doesn't want tax increases on anyone and the Dems only want to increase taxes on "the rich" to placate the fears about a massive increasing deficit
 
sangha said:
because the savings the middle class received were negligible in comparison to what the rich received
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Or maybe a better way os stating this is that the people who actually pay taxes got to keep more of their money than the people who don't.
 
rocket88 said:
A majority of Americans are terrible parasites who want your money. Another winning slogan for the GOP.
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its smart to take the money of the few and buy the votes of the many as a short term strategy for getting elected

the long term is what we have now after 70 years of that dem strategy

a massive deficit that cannot be erased even if you were to take 98% of all wealth above 100K a person
 
Misterveritis said:
Or maybe a better way os stating this is that the people who actually pay taxes got to keep more of their money than the people who don't.
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if the class warfare left wanted everyone to get the same tax breaks they should demand everyone pay the same taxes or at least the same rates
 
sangha said:
Much better than denying the obvious
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I am glad the SEALS' aim is much better than yours You completely missed the point.
 
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