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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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have a simple question, if tax increases are suddenly so important to Obama and the liberal left … then why in the hell didn't they just let the Bush tax cuts expire … they had the majority in the house, the senate .. and a liberal president …. and to top that .. they didn't need a vote .. the cuts were set to expire .. no vote meant that they would have expired .. instead .. democrats voted to extent the very tax cuts they are now wanting to do away with … makes no sense to me .

we didn't want to let taxes increase on the Middle-class.
 
So in other words, you think you are more accurate the the government because you can see the little picture. When you can document your claim, feel free to get back to me.

okay .. glad to see that you feel that spending more on food .. gas .. electric are considered little things for American citizens ..
 
The chart lists the source of the data used. If you think there's something wrong with the chart, then use the data to refute it.

And I have no idea what Geithner has to do with this. He didn't make the chart or compile the data.

Why won't you tell us where you got the chart? A source is not only called for if you expect to retain credibility in your argument, but called for by this sites rules for posting....

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Now publish the source that you took this chart from or remove it.

j-mac
 
have a simple question, if tax increases are suddenly so important to Obama and the liberal left … then why in the hell didn't they just let the Bush tax cuts expire … they had the majority in the house, the senate .. and a liberal president …. and to top that .. they didn't need a vote .. the cuts were set to expire .. no vote meant that they would have expired .. instead .. democrats voted to extent the very tax cuts they are now wanting to do away with … makes no sense to me .

Because Obama wanted to extend unemployment benefits. The rightwing was concerned that this would interfere with their efforts to destroy the middle class so they had to be appeased with tax cuts.
 
Why won't you tell us where you got the chart? A source is not only called for if you expect to retain credibility in your argument, but called for by this sites rules for posting....



Now publish the source that you took this chart from or remove it.

j-mac

The chart states the source of the data. I will not remove the chart

Natl_Debt_Chart.jpg
 
okay .. glad to see that you feel that spending more on food .. gas .. electric are considered little things for American citizens ..

We call this a straw man. I did not say that. Since you where confused, I will be clearer. You cannot see what the prices on everything has done, nor do you know how inflation is figured. You are basing your claim on anecdotal evidence, which is almost worthless, especially in something big picture like inflation.
 
So in other words, you think you are more accurate the the government because you can see the little picture. When you can document your claim, feel free to get back to me.

Wait a minute....When a republican administration is in office you wouldn't take anything they have to say as credible, yet when it is Obama then it is always the truth?

Really?


j-mac
 
have a simple question, if tax increases are suddenly so important to Obama and the liberal left … then why in the hell didn't they just let the Bush tax cuts expire … they had the majority in the house, the senate .. and a liberal president …. and to top that .. they didn't need a vote .. the cuts were set to expire .. no vote meant that they would have expired .. instead .. democrats voted to extent the very tax cuts they are now wanting to do away with … makes no sense to me .

The tax cut extension was made so millions of unemployed Americans could continue to receive unemployment benefits.

Obama announces tentative deal to extend Bush tax cuts - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency
 
Wait a minute....When a republican administration is in office you wouldn't take anything they have to say as credible, yet when it is Obama then it is always the truth?

Really?


j-mac

What? You can back this crap up?
 
Getting past wether it is a loophole or not... How does raising the tax rate on the oil industry help with either of the things you are complaining about (higher prices and "record profits").

Odd, I thought it was obvious. We are stuck with higher prices for as long as NATO and the West continue to meddle in ME affairs because of speculators.

It would however stop the glut of record profits and put more money in the coffers.
 
When they can earn their money without using public resources like the roads, the Post Office, electricity, the internet, etc then they can keep ALL of the money.

Pure class warfare. So let me see, if a small businessman starts an enterprise, and hires let's say, 50 people, pays them a decent wage, and kicks in for benefits, pays his overhead, and makes a small profit for his own. You feel entitled to his money. How much?

Until then, we're taking OUR share of the money.

Your share? What makes you believe that you are entitled to ANY earnings of another?

j-mac
 
Odd, I thought it was obvious. We are stuck with higher prices for as long as NATO and the West continue to meddle in ME affairs because of speculators.

It would however stop the glut of record profits and put more money in the coffers.

Does the US have any strategic interests in the ME?

j-mac
 
Because Obama wanted to extend unemployment benefits. The rightwing was concerned that this would interfere with their efforts to destroy the middle class so they had to be appeased with tax cuts.

vote obama, 2012!

the right wing must be appeased!

in their efforts to destroy the middle class!

LOL!
 
I understand that it is an anecdotal question. But really now Red, you trusted the government under Bush?

j-mac

I never questioned official statistics like inflation rate, unemployment and the like under Bush.
 
The chart states the source of the data. I will not remove the chart

I didn't ask you what the chart says it got the numbers from, I asked where YOU got the chart from. You know this and still refuse to cite your source, so I am reporting it as a violation.

j-mac
 
Pure class warfare. So let me see, if a small businessman starts an enterprise, and hires let's say, 50 people, pays them a decent wage, and kicks in for benefits, pays his overhead, and makes a small profit for his own. You feel entitled to his money. How much?



Your share? What makes you believe that you are entitled to ANY earnings of another?

j-mac

I said "our" share, not my share. I realize that "ours" is a word that rightwingers have trouble with, but it's not honest to put words in my mouth
 
We call this a straw man. I did not say that. Since you where confused, I will be clearer. You cannot see what the prices on everything has done, nor do you know how inflation is figured. You are basing your claim on anecdotal evidence, which is almost worthless, especially in something big picture like inflation.

Cotton is up 132 percent, Agricultural raw materials up 39 percent, Oil up 21 percent. Coal up 36 percent & Metals up 57 percent, Coffee up 70 percent, as well as Wheat up 62 percent, Beef up 39 percent, Fish up 31 percent. Hard logs are up 19 percent, Soft logs up 27 percent. Rubber is also up 79 percent. Wool is up at over 57 percent. Fertilizer is up to 39 percent. Soy beans up 42 percent. Corn is up 58 percent, and Silver up 60 percent; Industrial Inputs Price Index up 51 percent. Commodity Food Price Index up 30 percent. Commodity Fuel Price Index up 20 percent. Overall Commodity Price Index up 20 percent.

Seeing this is where most companies get their raw materials from I really quite confused .. I guess we need to bow down to the companies making these products that have only increased prices an average of 1.6 % over the last year .. and absorbing all those price increases … so we the consumer aren't faced with higher prices ..
 
"on the backs"....??? Tell me other than this being nothing of substance, how allowing people that make over $200K per year, many of whom are small businesses that employ 80% of this country's "Working class" to keep more of their own hard earned money is anything but a positive in the long run?

j-mac

Like I said j, you always back business over working folk. Just saying . . . . :coffeepap
 
I understand that it is an anecdotal question. But really now Red, you trusted the government under Bush?

j-mac

No, it's not an "anecdotal question". It's a question with a factual answer, and "statistics" is not the plural of "anecdote"
 
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