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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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randel said:
oh jeez, here we go again , everyone feel sorry for the poor little rich boy:roll: Isnt AMERICA great? everyone gets a vote(as much as this kills you) regardless of income...you want to go back to you have to own property to vote? while your at it, why don't you strip women of the right to vote? then what, only white males who own property can vote? sorry bud, but how much money you have, or how much in taxes you pay, doesnt determine if you get to vote or not, as much as this kills you.
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Yeah, and some in poorer communities have been known to have more than a vote....;)

j-mac
 
sangha said:
Deficits were caused by bush*'s tax cuts
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no role for entitlements, the unfunded obligations for which grew by 5.3 trillion in 2010 alone?

LOL!
 
The Prof said:
no role for entitlements, the unfunded obligations for which grew by 5.3 trillion in 2010 alone?

LOL!
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Not what I said. Try again

This time include bush*'s wars of choice, and the reckless spending by a republican congress
 
sangha said:
Not what I said. Try again

This time include bush*'s wars of choice, and the reckless spending by a republican congress
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So here we have it...Stuck at "it's Bush's fault" instead of actually fixing the problem. I love it when our so called leaders drum talking point pap into the lexicon....As Biden said yesterday in the talks...."Come on man, let's get real."

j-mac
 
Thunder said:
the rich are notorious for moving jobs out of the USA and into countries that pay **** wages and have zero benefits.
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in fact, any American citizen who moves his factory to another country, thereby putting hundreds if not thousands of people out of work in the USA, should have their American citizenship REVOKED.
 
j-mac said:
So here we have it...Stuck at "it's Bush's fault" instead of actually fixing the problem. I love it when our so called leaders drum talking point pap into the lexicon....As Biden said yesterday in the talks...."Come on man, let's get real."

j-mac
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bush* started out with a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit.
 
Thunder said:
in fact, any American citizen who moves his factory to another country, thereby putting hundreds if not thousands of people out of work in the USA, should have their American citizenship REVOKED.
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This is false and ridiculous over the top rhetoric.
 
sangha said:
Not what I said
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few care what you do or don't say

the FACT is entitlements---61.6T under and sinking by 5.3 per year

bottom line, baby
 
The Barbarian said:
Just a simple question ... do you honestly believe what you posted here ...... that 2010 inflation was 1.6% ?
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WHen given a choice between data supplied from the BLS, and data supplied from a stranger on the internets, I always go with the latter.
 
sangha said:
bush* started out with a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit.
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Facts are good: The reality is that when figuring in all spending, there was no Clinton surplus. The economy did better under Clinton than any other president in my lifetime, and reduced the deficit by more than any other president, but overstating what he did just makes it easy for people to dismiss your comments.
 
Redress said:
Facts are good: The reality is that when figuring in all spending, there was no Clinton surplus. The economy did better under Clinton than any other president in my lifetime, and reduced the deficit by more than any other president, but overstating what he did just makes it easy for people to dismiss your comments.
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The reality is that Clinton left our budget with a surplus, which bush* wasted no time destroying. wrt "all spending" you can blame Reagan for some of that, and the republican congress for some of the rest.
 
what a weenie

Some of the $1.7 trillion in new revenue in the $4 trillion deal would have been found by counting the expiration of the Bush tax rates for the wealthy, these sources said. Obama had suggested this would not be a tax increase if it were offset by a future promise of tax reform that ultimately lowered all rates, including the rate paid by the wealthiest taxpayers.

The president also disputed Republicans who have suggested he is looking to immediately raise taxes, saying that what he is proposing would not take effect until 2013.
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Debt-ceiling talks hit brick wall as President Obama, GOP trade jabs - TheHill.com

it's called caving by degrees
 
sangha said:
bush* started out with a surplus and turned it into a huge deficit.
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Bush, didn't do anything of the sort, the Republican congress, and demo congress that authorized these expenditures. You can't have it both ways, saying that Bush was responsible for spending while he was in office, yet rejecting that Obama is responsible for spending now.

Further, this reckless spending that repubs in congress did while they had control was a major factor why they lost the majority in '06, yet the Pelosi led congress put spending and corruption on steroids.

j-mac
 
sangha said:
The reality is that Clinton left our budget with a surplus, which bush* wasted no time destroying. wrt "all spending" you can blame Reagan for some of that, and the republican congress for some of the rest.
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Debt at end of year:

1998: $5,478b
1999: $5,605b
2000: $5,628b
2001: $5,769b

Notice the debt is growing in each year.
 
j-mac said:
Bush, didn't do anything of the sort, the Republican congress, and demo congress that authorized these expenditures. You can't have it both ways, saying that Bush was responsible for spending while he was in office, yet rejecting that Obama is responsible for spending now.

Further, this reckless spending that repubs in congress did while they had control was a major factor why they lost the majority in '06, yet the Pelosi led congress put spending and corruption on steroids.

j-mac
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It was the repubs in congress who passed Medicare D, not bush*. And the rate of increase in govt spending was faster under repubs than under dems
 
Redress said:
Debt at end of year:

1998: $5,478b
1999: $5,605b
2000: $5,628b
2001: $5,769b

Notice the debt is growing in each year.
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As did inflation, and also be honest here Red, that little thing called recession that started in '99 and increased with the attacks on 9/11 didn't help matters. But it pales in comparison to the Trillions that the Obama WH, and Pelosi congress spent in two short years....

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Bush, didn't do anything of the sort, the Republican congress, and demo congress that authorized these expenditures. You can't have it both ways, saying that Bush was responsible for spending while he was in office, yet rejecting that Obama is responsible for spending now.

Further, this reckless spending that repubs in congress did while they had control was a major factor why they lost the majority in '06, yet the Pelosi led congress put spending and corruption on steroids.

j-mac
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repubs have historically increased the debt faster then dems. That's why 75% of the debt was accumulated under repub presidents

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j-mac said:
As did inflation, and also be honest here Red, that little thing called recession that started in '99 and increased with the attacks on 9/11 didn't help matters. But it pales in comparison to the Trillions that the Obama WH, and Pelosi congress spent in two short years....

j-mac
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Inflation was at very low levels at that point. The rest of your post did not address anything I said and is just a random collection of typical right wing talking points.
 
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