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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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Ikari said:
So in order to save the super rich some money by obstructing the removal of loopholes, the Republicans are saviors. Where as Obama is wrong because in an era of extreme spending and deficit where we may actually have to start paying for the friviolous spending of our government, raising taxes and cutting spending is unreasonable? I think it's kinda sick to hold the entire economy and most of America hostage to protect an elite class taking advantages of tax loopholes. But whatever.
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I don't agree with everything you say in all your posts, but I have enjoyed your posts in this thread. Sometime, in another thread I think, we might discuss the unlikelihood of there being any return to a prue capitalistic system. Something don't work well with that, and the prue form has its own problems as well.

Still, it's been a joy to read your posts here. ;)
 
Thunder said:
its cute watching Cons derail the conversation.
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Not really. But I'll always remember them playing on deck as the ship went down.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't agree with everything you say in all your posts, but I have enjoyed your posts in this thread. Sometime, in another thread I think, we might discuss the unlikelihood of there being any return to a prue capitalistic system. Something don't work well with that, and the prue form has its own problems as well.

Still, it's been a joy to read your posts here. ;)
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I tried to send a PM along those lines, but the inbox was full over there.
 
Thunder said:
closing tax loopholes is not a tax-hike.

a tax-hike is where the tax-rate is increased for certain income levels.
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Really, so tax loopholes have no effect on taxes? Why do you think they exist then, and why do some want to close them if their net effect is zero?
 
Thunder said:
Dems do not want higher taxes for the Middle-class and the poor.

We only want higher taxes for the filthy rich, who's taxes keep going down...down...down.

Cons, however, want to restrict the freedom of the people AND the states.
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Thanks for demonstrating the typical leftwing mind set. Its to punish the "filthy rich" (meaning anyone making more than 200K a year) that motivates the envious left. BTW the tax burden on everyone else has gone way down while the top 2%'s share of the tax burden has GONE UP
 
The Prof said:
ah, then a lack of tax revenue is NOT responsible for our astronomical debt

thank goodness

because, frankly, at 61.6 trillion---and growing by 5.3 per year---there's not enough money in the galaxy

either way, if something isn't done IMMINENTLY to fundamentally restructure our budgets, then our big 3 federal programs will simply cease to exist, as we've come to know them, for our next generation

leadership, anyone?
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The idea that because I didn't say one thing, I said another is a logical fallacy. Try again.

I said nothing about a lack of revenue or the national debt. We were talking about deficits.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't agree with everything you say in all your posts, but I have enjoyed your posts in this thread. Sometime, in another thread I think, we might discuss the unlikelihood of there being any return to a prue capitalistic system. Something don't work well with that, and the prue form has its own problems as well.

Still, it's been a joy to read your posts here. ;)
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I don't see how we can "return" to an economic system that has never existed. Govts have always been involved in economics
 
sangha said:
All urban areas that have been run by rightwingers have been in the crapper for decades. Higher rates of abortion, teen pregnancy, welfare, poverty, etc

Thats what the right envisions for this nation
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Do you just make crap up? Detroit, Chicago, DC, LA,
 
sangha said:
Evidence for what? Complete sentences would help
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well it worked for someone you were thanking--how many urban areas that are foundering were run by the GOP vs the Dems?
 
Bassman said:
He is a traitorous piece of Leftist ****! Until the next REAL Conservative is elected I will never recognize Barry Soetoro, the Kenyan poser, as POTUS.
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noooo, i'm sorry bassman, your answer is incorrect....he is the duly elected president, and you are a citizen of this country, of which, he is president, therefore, he is YOUR PRESIDENT.. LIKE IT OR LUMP IT, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are confused

I support tax cuts for several reasons

1) the rich pay too much-their taxes should be cut to where they are paying their share which is far less than what they pay now

2) the government is too big-we need to starve it

3) democrats use tax hikes to justify more spending. I want to hurt the dem party since they are contrary to my interests

tax hikes don't create jobs either

in fact you can only support tax hikes if you can prove they help and you cannot
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taxes on the rich, which you claim to be, are at the lowest they have been in decades.....this has been shown to you repeatedly, so no, you don't pay to much in taxes, the argument, a strong argument, can be made that you don't pay enough.
 
sangha said:
I said "all urban areas that have been run by rightwingers". None of those urban areas, except LA, were run by rightwingers. They were run by centrists
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You think Detroit and Chicago were run by "rightwingers"??? Now that is funny....

j-mac
 
randel said:
taxes on the rich, which you claim to be, are at the lowest they have been in decades.....this has been shown to you repeatedly, so no, you don't pay to much in taxes, the argument, a strong argument, can be made that you don't pay enough.
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You can make the argument, just as I can make the argument that by burdening the so called rich, (remember we are talking about people that make $200K/Couples at $250K here) the class of people responsible for paying upwards of 80% of federal tax burden now, to support an increasing recipient class of people that want ever more freebies from the government in exchange for their vote, is a template for ruin. This has always been true throughout history.

So, why again would liberals even go that route? You think that somehow now it will end up differently?


j-mac
 
TurtleDude said:
Thanks for demonstrating the typical leftwing mind set. Its to punish the "filthy rich" (meaning anyone making more than 200K a year) that motivates the envious left.
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FAIL

I don't want taxes raised on folks who make less than $250,000 a year.

if you're going to comment on someone's views, get their views right.

have a great day.
 
TurtleDude said:
you get a vote, I get a vote

you should pay the same amount of taxes as me if you want equality
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oh jeez, here we go again , everyone feel sorry for the poor little rich boy:roll: Isnt AMERICA great? everyone gets a vote(as much as this kills you) regardless of income...you want to go back to you have to own property to vote? while your at it, why don't you strip women of the right to vote? then what, only white males who own property can vote? sorry bud, but how much money you have, or how much in taxes you pay, doesnt determine if you get to vote or not, as much as this kills you.
 
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