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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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sangha said:
I think the right hates America. That's why they want such radical change
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radical change being to roll back the creeping crud of welfare socialism and a bloated every growing cancer of a federal government?
 
TurtleDude said:
getting rid of the 16th and 17th amendments would probably be the single best way (if it were possible) to get rid of the massive deficits we have now

and the supreme court upholding its line of cases that terminated with Schechter Poultry
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getting rid of the rightwing would be the best single way to get rid of the massive deficits we have now
 
Bassman said:
And give that back to the states?? YES!!

to force the government to live within its means, just like everyone else.

Especially the 16th Amendment.

Thank you.
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And the right wing thinks this is "conservative" :roll:
 
sangha said:
They must also support slavery, poll taxes, and making contraception illegal. It's their idea of more freedom
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dems were the party of slavery and currently the party of slavery through entitlement addiction, affirmative action and the racism of lowered expectations
 
TurtleDude said:
What you fail to understand is the top one or 5% is not a static group

and I am waiting for you to tell us what it would mean if the rich were not getting any richer.
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The same thing that would happen if they were getting richer. They'd lock their money away in investments, bonds, stocks, etc. None of which create jobs in any demonstratable form.
 
TurtleDude said:
What you fail to understand is the top one or 5% is not a static group

and I am waiting for you to tell us what it would mean if the rich were not getting any richer.
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If it were more static (the percentages that is), it would be indication of economic mobility. Poor people could get rich and rich people could become poor. That's the thing about economic mobility and why they top top try to prevent it. How many bankers ended up on the street after they ran a system they knew couldn't be supported and eventually collapsed? It's not a "static" group yet; but it's becoming more and more static. The days where people can pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get wealthy through innovation and hard work are coming to a close.
 
Ikari said:
If it were more static (the percentages that is), it would be indication of economic mobility. Poor people could get rich and rich people could become poor. That's the thing about economic mobility and why they top top try to prevent it. How many bankers ended up on the street after they ran a system they knew couldn't be supported and eventually collapsed? It's not a "static" group yet; but it's becoming more and more static. The days where people can pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get wealthy through innovation and hard work are coming to a close.
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fail-if someone who makes more than they spend cannot increase their wealth through investment it means the entire system has collapsed

and most "millionaires" are first generation millionaires. massive income taxes and the death tax is what keeps the uber rich secure
 
Bassman said:
It's only "radical" to the Left because they're used to the government being their mommy and daddy.
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So true,so true

they are addicted to a nanny state feeding them and wiping their bottoms for them

freedom scares the hell out of the dependent addicts

later
 
Bassman said:
Your ULTIMATE goal is to make them pay through the nose. And I'm telling you to forget it. Cuts must be made, and entitlement programs gutted.
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And wars ended, less you're trying to dust over that over trillion dollar waste of time and life.

Cuts do need to be made. My ULTIMATE goal, however, is not to make them pay through the nose. Try to be a little honest at least. What I want ultimately is the return of the Republic, and that's what you're telling me to forget. However, we have allowed the government to operate in this mode for too long and now we have to pay for it. Which not only means massive cuts (subsidies hit the block first, no need to give oil industry 8+ billion dollars a year), but we all have to pay more to make up for it. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Cuts must be made and taxes raised.
 
Thunder said:
the rich are notorious for moving jobs out of the USA and into countries that pay **** wages and have zero benefits.
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More nonsense. jobs move because america labor and american government is too expensive
 
TurtleDude said:
So true,so true

they are addicted to a nanny state feeding them and wiping their bottoms for them

freedom scares the hell out of the dependent addicts

later
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Is this an attempt at irony? TSA supporters telling me that freedom scares me? HA.
 
Bassman said:
Your ULTIMATE goal is to make them pay through the nose. And I'm telling you to forget it. Cuts must be made, and entitlement programs gutted.
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The rightwings' ultimate goal is to impoverish the middle class. I'm telling you to forget it. bush* already succeeded
 
TurtleDude said:
More nonsense. jobs move because america labor and american government is too expensive
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Yeah, **** working wages. I mean the middle class and lower class are losing wealth like a sieve; but **** them! Make it even harder for them to make money. That's a sound decision for the Republic.
 
TurtleDude said:
radical change being to roll back the creeping crud of welfare socialism and a bloated every growing cancer of a federal government?
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No, radical change from the right to bring back slavery, poll taxes, denying american citizens the vote and their jobs
 
TurtleDude said:
fail-if someone who makes more than they spend cannot increase their wealth through investment it means the entire system has collapsed

and most "millionaires" are first generation millionaires. massive income taxes and the death tax is what keeps the uber rich secure
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Tax loopholes keep the uber rich secure. That and tax payer funded subsidies and very generous laws set in their favor. All brought to you by the Republocrats. Who remind you, don't ask question!
 
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