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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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cpwill said:
"Raising taxes in a recession is the last thing you want to do." - President Barack Obama



we are willing to compromise on plenty. whatever the President wants to cut, we'll cut. but raising taxes will not bring in any revenue, it will hurt the country's struggling economy, and it's not a political possibility. we might as well demand that Obama pass the Ryan Plan, and then accuse him of refusing to compromise when he doesn't.



At best, Obama wants to hike taxes, but doesn't want the blame for it, so he wants to make Republicans his enablers. At worst, Obama knows that this won't pass the House, and so he wants to go past the Aug 2 deadline to see how much he can scare the American public about the "eeeeevil Wepubwicans" [/Elmer Fudd Voice].
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if you are not willing to compromise on taxes, then you are not compromising on anything if you are a republican....the administration has put everything on the table, has been willing to do a deal that is DOUBLE, 4 trill, that the repubs want no part of....sad to see the talks going in this direction, but good on obama for growing a set and telling the repubs to piss off.
 
TurtleDude said:
ordasity? why do people like you label anyone who is in the top 2% "greedsters"? They probably are why you have an artificially low federal income tax rate and true greed is demanding others pay more so you don't even have to pay for what you use.
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check out the ordasity in cpwills post what it was meant to be a retort too...and why do people LIKE YOU think people with money should be able to just screw whoever they want when they want and your song and dance that the middle class pay no tax is horse****...
 
Swizz said:
"Too little"? He has doubled the number the Republicans initially asked for.

This Congress sure isn't afraid to move the goal posts, consistency be damned.
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You can't swoop in at the last minute and change things. Obama needed to convince the country that we need massive new taxes. The GOP ran on no new taxes and unlike under Bush Sr. they learned they had better live up to that promise.

Right now the country is not clamoring for huge new taxes
 
lpast said:
check out the ordasity in cpwills post what it was meant to be a retort too...and why do people LIKE YOU think people with money should be able to just screw whoever they want when they want and your song and dance that the middle class pay no tax is horse****...
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Why? Because the government allows them to. It's not a stretch to believe it when you can look all around and see where they are doing it. How much money did the government give you to sock away for later?
 
Ikari said:
HE created this mess? Obama may just be another Bush clone, but the mess didn't start with him, he just went on precedent from government and made things worse. The Republocrats got us into this mess, it's high time the lot of them do their god damned job. Quit pandering to some elite class of douchebags and do what's right by the American people.
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The American people voted for the GOP in November based upon their no new tax pledges.
 
Ikari said:
We're not talking about the poor bastards who are only sorta rich, we're talking Buffet level wealth. There should be no designation such as capital gains. All income is income and should be taxes appropriately.
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I've not seen that suggested, have you? Geithner would have a conniption if the Dems proposed this.
 
Ikari said:
We're not talking about the poor bastards who are only sorta rich, we're talking Buffet level wealth. There should be no designation such as capital gains. All income is income and should be taxes appropriately.
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that sounds good an appeals to class envy and those who don't have the wherewithall to make investments but when you strip away the BS its just plain stupid to jack up taxes on long term capital gains
 
randel said:
if you are not willing to compromise on taxes, then you are not compromising on anything if you are a republican....the administration has put everything on the table, has been willing to do a deal that is DOUBLE, 4 trill, that the repubs want no part of....sad to see the talks going in this direction, but good on obama for growing a set and telling the repubs to piss off.
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so you think all government spending is good and cannot be cut? as I noted compromise should be the GOP allowing cuts in some of their pet projects and the dems the same

and the rich already pay too much tax-if anyone's taxes need to be raised its the slackers who vote more and more spending without paying for it
 
lpast said:
check out the ordasity in cpwills post what it was meant to be a retort too...and why do people LIKE YOU think people with money should be able to just screw whoever they want when they want and your song and dance that the middle class pay no tax is horse****...
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more populist drivel

you assume people more prosperous and industrious than you are somehow able to screw the ne'er do wells, the unambitious and the untalented.

The top 1 percent pay almost 40 percent of the income tax. The top 5% pay more income taxes and death taxes than the rest of the country. where do you get off claiming that those people don't pay enough? its people like you who aren't carrying your share of the load
 
cpwill said:
no, he didn't. he offered up 3 trillion in cuts and 1 trillion in tax hikes - the problem being that many of those "cuts" were nothing of the sort.
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Ok, so 3 trillion isn't enough for the GOP to give just a little itty bit on revenue? Are you one of those that thinks negotiating means one side gets everything they want?
 
Taylor said:
It was just a few months ago, at the state of the union address, that Obama called for a "revenue neutral corporate tax reduction." Now he wants to raise taxes on oil and private planes (7.5% of GDP) in a blatant political gesture to make the republicans "the party of the rich."

Can we believe anything this man says?
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The GOP needs no help in that dept. Every time they open their mouths they make it known that they're the party for the rich.
 
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They should lock the President, House and Senate up somewhere and not let them touch base or get feed back from anybody. No media. Vote. Vote again. Vote some more. No agreement? Too bad, so sad. You're not leaving that room.
 
TurtleDude said:
so you think all government spending is good and cannot be cut? as I noted compromise should be the GOP allowing cuts in some of their pet projects and the dems the same

and the rich already pay too much tax-if anyone's taxes need to be raised its the slackers who vote more and more spending without paying for it
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if you would have paid attention to anything i have posted, you wouldnt have asked that question, i support spending cuts, i have said several times that there can be no sacred cows, and that EVERYTHING needs to be on the table, i have also stated that tax increases need to be part of the solution. and please spare me the spiel of how you are taxed to much.
 
randel said:
if you would have paid attention to anything i have posted, you wouldnt have asked that question, i support spending cuts, i have said several times that there can be no sacred cows, and that EVERYTHING needs to be on the table, i have also stated that tax increases need to be part of the solution. and please spare me the spiel of how you are taxed to much.
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so why are the dems unwilling to start with cuts?

You see I think dems need to keep spending and spending and spending to keep people like you voting for them.

why should we enable them to spend more by supposedly giving them more money to waste until those asses can prove they can go on a massive diet?
 
apdst said:
Deficit spending has zero to do with revenue income. And certain;y nothing to do with compromise.
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TurtleDude said:
so why are the dems unwilling to start with cuts?

You see I think dems need to keep spending and spending and spending to keep people like you voting for them.

why should we enable them to spend more by supposedly giving them more money to waste until those asses can prove they can go on a massive diet?
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yeah, i know what you think, and i really don't care...all you are concerned about is YOU...move along, dismissed.
 
1Perry said:
The American people voted for the GOP in November based upon their no new tax pledges.
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BS. They voted for them because they claimed that they would focus on jobs and the economy. As anybody can see, they have done nothing of the sort. All they've done so far is focus on abortion and gays, and as far as the economy is concerned, they've only made investors and employers feel more uncertain because of the GOP's unwillingness to negotiate with Dems on the budget and the debt ceiling, which actually risks making the economy worse.
 
1Perry said:
I've not seen that suggested, have you? Geithner would have a conniption if the Dems proposed this.
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No, that's part of the "raising taxes" thing the Republicans are going on about. In the end, the system is still broken. We're still at over 9% unemployment. We gave a bunch of our money to the banks and wall street, but it seems that as soon as they were taken care of, the government stopped caring about getting out changes which would help the rest of us. Essentially the economic recovery (and everything leading up to the collapse) is the exact opposite of the way a government working FOR the people would have operated.

It's time to get past the partisan bickering and work on a solution for the whole of us. And part of that is trying to get our debt back in control. Which at this point will entail both spending cuts and tax raises. We allowed the government to operate in this frivolous mode, it's time to pay the piper. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
 
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Obama said the savings identified by the Biden group would yield about $1.5 trillion, not enough to raise the debt ceiling beyond the 2012 elections and meet Boehner’s requirement that deficits be cut by a higher amount than the borrowing limit is raised.

What’s more, Obama said no Democrat would be willing to sign on to a plan that cuts $1.5 trillion but doesn’t require any concessions from Republicans.
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Obama on Monday said he and other, wealthier taxpayers should be asked to contribute to a package reducing the deficit to ensure pain does not fall only on the middle class and poor.

“I do not want, and I will not accept, a deal in which I am asked to do nothing — in fact, I’m able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don’t need — while a parent out there who’s struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds that they’ve got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans,” Obama said.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/170841-debt-talks-hit-brick-wall-obama-gop-trade-jabs
 
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TurtleDude said:
that sounds good an appeals to class envy and those who don't have the wherewithall to make investments but when you strip away the BS its just plain stupid to jack up taxes on long term capital gains
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Why? Why is their income taxed less than mine just because they got the ear of Congress and are able to protect their tax loopholes? Income is income. If we have an income tax (which we do), then all income must be treated the same. Why should some people, who have better ability to affect Congress and get what they want through it, be able to pay less overall tax rates then everyone else? Income is income, that's it. You gonna tax me, then you're gonna get taxed too.
 
randel said:
yeah, i know what you think, and i really don't care...all you are concerned about is YOU...move along, dismissed.
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much bitterness I see in you. Sadly for you its the unions that are being dismissed left and right

the sooner we kill them off the better for America.

so why are your dem masters unwilling just to cut stuff?
 
Ikari said:
Why? Why is their income taxed less than mine just because they got the ear of Congress and are able to protect their tax loopholes? Income is income. If we have an income tax (which we do), then all income must be treated the same. Why should some people, who have better ability to affect Congress and get what they want through it, be able to pay less overall tax rates then everyone else? Income is income, that's it. You gonna tax me, then you're gonna get taxed too.
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you confuse your populist sense of fairness with economic reality. the rich pay higher taxes on every type of income than you do

so if you are so hell bent on what you call fairness how about you pay the same rates I do?
 
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