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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
    Frustrating as hell, isn't it? The real sad part of this, we have the government we deserve. Not the one we want, but the one we deserve. We have allowed this to happen by apathy and being easily distracted by shiny things.
    I agree completely ... I guess the point I'm making it .. it has to stop .. with me cut the damn spending first ... show me it actually going to happen ... when that does .. then we can visit the tax revenue end of it ..... and yes in my humble opinion, we need to do both to tackle this mess we are in .. Just presently I'm against giving people that for the last 30 years have over spent no matter how much money they were given to work with .. My giving has been worn out ... I'm sick and tired of politics ... I want to see results "real" spending cuts ..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The teaparty has the ORDASITY to not only not want any tax increase on their rich greedsters they want mOAR tax cuts...like in the Ryan plan HUGE tax cuts and then they send out their cheerleaders to harp how we have to get rid of SS and medicare and Medicaid and food stamps ....damn these people that are unsucessful loafers like public workers who DO THEY THINK THEY ARE making a halfway decent living...I WANT mOAR....yanno cpwill this whole teaparty thing has gotten disgusting..
    ordasity? why do people like you label anyone who is in the top 2% "greedsters"? They probably are why you have an artificially low federal income tax rate and true greed is demanding others pay more so you don't even have to pay for what you use.



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Show us where the Tea Party wants more tax cuts for rich folks. Thanks in advance.

    You might want to re-read that. not only not want

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
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    16% advantage over the normal business. Bottom line is they need to continue leasing and drilling to continue to have a product to sell. Basic business. Why should we subsidize those and still continue to pay higher prices and watch them make record profits?
    If they move their operations out of U.S. territorial waters, all together and go to a country with fewer over-reaching regulations and out of control taxes, what have you accomplished? Because, if that happens, you've done nothing but screw the United States out of jobs and tax revenue.

    Ultimately, what sense does it make to tax a business on money that it re-invests? That's idiotic, to begin with.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    this president is clueless

    in other words, give him 5 minutes, he'll change his demands

    his own lame duck passed the bush cuts for the rich, he had 59 senators and a house plurality of 78

    the budget he published in february his own party rejected, 97 to 0

    this debt ceiling deal---he wants the big one, he wants the small one, he wants to cut social security except he doesn't

    tax all the millionaires and billionaires, ie, folks making 250k

    but, no, most insistently---closing loopholes is NOT a tax

    subsidies, what subsidies---spell em out, let's look at em

    the depreciation of jet airplanes, 5 years or 7?

    best selling authors?

    but hey, we're no third world country, he'll veto any two-month, 3-month extension...

    he leads from behind

    just how much can you people take?

    seeya in a week, he'll be talking like cuomo

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they move their operations out of U.S. territorial waters, all together and go to a country with fewer over-reaching regulations and out of control taxes, what have you accomplished? Because, if that happens, you've done nothing but screw the United States out of jobs and tax revenue.

    Ultimately, what sense does it make to tax a business on money that it re-invests? That's idiotic, to begin with.
    One place I would like to see taxes really raised is on companies that do leave here to avoid taxes and still reap the benefits. How is it going to end American jobs? We are (at least I am) talking primarily about domestic leases and drilling. If the big companies want to pull out and drop the leases, then fine. Others will be happy to pick them up and drill.

    I worked in the Kansas oil patch for a while, believe me, plenty of companies want the leases, especially on land where no drilling is being done.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    this president is clueless

    in other words, give him 5 minutes, he'll change his demands

    his own lame duck passed the bush cuts for the rich, he had 59 senators and a house plurality of 78

    the budget he published in february his own party rejected, 97 to 0

    this debt ceiling deal---he wants the big one, he wants the small one, he wants to cut social security except he doesn't

    tax all the millionaires and billionaires, ie, folks making 250k

    but, no, most insistently---closing loopholes is NOT a tax

    subsidies, what subsidies---spell em out, let's look at em

    the depreciation of jet airplanes, 5 years or 7?

    best selling authors?

    but hey, we're no third world country, he'll veto any two-month, 3-month extension...

    he leads from behind

    just how much can you people take?

    seeya in a week, he'll be talking like cuomo
    This post was much, much less coherent than Obama.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Question: Does anyone here actually agree with the wars we're currently fighting? Talk about spending cuts, that'd save us a bunch of cash.

    Truth of the matter here is that entitlements are sucking us dry and can't last forever, regardless of what X politician tells us (except for Ron Paul, just about). We have to cut eventually, as we're on an unsustainable path.

    But yeah, raising taxes, I believe, would do pretty much nothing. Raising taxes takes away that much more money from individuals and businesses, making it more difficult to put back into the economy. 70,000+ pages in tax code don't help, either.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    talking like andrew cuomo:

    "we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

    "the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

    "the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

    "an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

    "not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

    "the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

    "new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

    "what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

    "this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

    "the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

    "we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

    "what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

    "and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

    "at the heart of this state is business"

    "we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

    "we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

    "westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

    "it has to end, it has to end this year"

    "we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

    "put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

    "we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

    GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

    in politics, we call that THE LAY OF THE LAND

    in this case---NEW YORK

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Polotick View Post
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    16% advantage over the normal business. Bottom line is they need to continue leasing and drilling to continue to have a product to sell. Basic business. Why should we subsidize those and still continue to pay higher prices and watch them make record profits?
    Getting past wether it is a loophole or not... How does raising the tax rate on the oil industry help with either of the things you are complaining about (higher prices and "record profits").

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