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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The arrogance and child like ego of our current president...I mean the relive should not sit with him again. He offers nothing of substance, and expects to run the meeting like a dictator. I think that at this point the house should pass a bill pass it to the senate and tell the people the real deal concerning demo liars.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Dude, dont even play that card on how Republicans have been acting about these whole talks...
    Republicans have been pretty clear this entire time: cut spending equal or greater than the debt ceiling rise. It's the President who spent most of the year demanding a "clean" bill, only to have Republicans put that up for a vote, demonstrate how even Democrats would vote that down. The President who had then spent most of a year complaining that we should pass a "clean" bill then went on national television and castigated Republicans for not wanting to "take the opportunity to do something big". At that point, he basically offered his previous budget (4 "trillion in cuts", greater tax increases, and price controls) that had already gotten zero votes in Senate up, calling it a "big, Bi Partisan Solution" and accused Republicans of holding a gun to the head of the American people.

    The President accuses others of demagoguery in the breath before he demagogues them. He pretends to be the Serious Parent, asking "if not now when". When? How about when he spent two years not pushing Congressional Democrats to pass a budget? How about when he punted to the Debt Reduction Commission that HE assigned and then ignored their proposals? How about when he offered a "budget" that was so unserious that not even a single democrat was willing to attach their name to it? How about when he accused Republicans of not being serious about deficit reduction and governing, so Republicans actually brought forth a budget that seriously addressed painful decisions, and his response was to accuse them of going after autistic children and peoples' grandmothers?

    The President refuses to provide specifics or leadership, but someone needs to, so he waits for Republican congressional leadership to fill the void and then he demagogues them for doing so.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Republicans have been pretty clear this entire time: cut spending equal or greater than the debt ceiling rise. It's the President who spent most of the year demanding a "clean" bill, only to have Republicans put that up for a vote, demonstrate how even Democrats would vote that down. The President who had then spent most of a year complaining that we should pass a "clean" bill then went on national television and castigated Republicans for not wanting to "take the opportunity to do something big". At that point, he basically offered his previous budget (4 "trillion in cuts", greater tax increases, and price controls) that had already gotten zero votes in Senate up, calling it a "big, Bi Partisan Solution" and accused Republicans of holding a gun to the head of the American people.

    The President accuses others of demagoguery in the breath before he demagogues them. He pretends to be the Serious Parent, asking "if not now when". When? How about when he spent two years not pushing Congressional Democrats to pass a budget? How about when he punted to the Debt Reduction Commission that HE assigned and then ignored their proposals? How about when he offered a "budget" that was so unserious that not even a single democrat was willing to attach their name to it? How about when he accused Republicans of not being serious about deficit reduction and governing, so Republicans actually brought forth a budget that seriously addressed painful decisions, and his response was to accuse them of going after autistic children and peoples' grandmothers?

    The President refuses to provide specifics or leadership, but someone needs to, so he waits for Republican congressional leadership to fill the void and then he demagogues them for doing so.
    Yes, the repubs have been clear. Just as clear as they were in 2000, when they promised to cut spending and the deficit, and the national debt. But once elected, the increased spending, the deficit, and the national debt.

    Repubs have almost always spoken clearly.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, the repubs have been clear. Just as clear as they were in 2000, when they promised to cut spending and the deficit, and the national debt. But once elected, the increased spending, the deficit, and the national debt.

    Repubs have almost always spoken clearly.
    So you prefer to go with the certainty of high debt with the Democrats versus the uncertainty of the Republicans. Is that correct?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    No society has prospered in the history of man during a time of war. Do not kid yourself we are still at war. We should not be surprised that home loans, Wall Street and our debt have been left to police itself. When you fight a war you need money so you cut regulators and policing functions of the SEC, EPA, FDA, etc , etc When you take people and instead of 2 people per 100 there is now 1 per 100 more falls through. In 11 years we, because of war, have left the industry of America to the companies. And companies are in it for the money, and at the end of the day want to make the most money any way possible through any means.
    Curing the debt will take budget cuts, INCLUDING DEFENSE, which is where a huge cut should start. And returning taxes for ALL Americans to Clinton era levels and closing loop holes is what will start this. IT WILL BE PAINFULL for ALL. Not just the poor or middle class

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Well, tax hikes are just as essential as spending cuts to stabilizing things, but stubborn tactics and ultimatums are childish. I expect more from Obama than to parrot the nonsense spewed by his enemies. He's smarter and more civilized than they are.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you prefer to go with the certainty of high debt with the Democrats versus the uncertainty of the Republicans. Is that correct?
    The certainty of high debt is greater when the repubs are in charge.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by czarboom View Post
    No society has prospered in the history of man during a time of war. Do not kid yourself we are still at war. We should not be surprised that home loans, Wall Street and our debt have been left to police itself. When you fight a war you need money so you cut regulators and policing functions of the SEC, EPA, FDA, etc , etc When you take people and instead of 2 people per 100 there is now 1 per 100 more falls through. In 11 years we, because of war, have left the industry of America to the companies. And companies are in it for the money, and at the end of the day want to make the most money any way possible through any means.
    Curing the debt will take budget cuts, INCLUDING DEFENSE, which is where a huge cut should start. And returning taxes for ALL Americans to Clinton era levels and closing loop holes is what will start this. IT WILL BE PAINFULL for ALL. Not just the poor or middle class
    Good post and welcome to DP!! You're off to a good start
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The certainty of high debt is greater when the repubs are in charge
    So it's your contention that the Republicans are now trying to increase the debt while the Obama Administration is fighting to balance the budget?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So it's your contention that the Republicans are now trying to increase the debt while the Obama Administration is fighting to balance the budget?
    No, but your inability to dispute anything I've actually said indicates your lack of any point.
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