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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmm have to pay our debts...ok....what do we let go? social security checks don't go out/are late, military doesnt get paid(i'm sure this will go over well with both of these groups, will turn the 2nd tuesday of nov 2012 into 'judgement day' for republicans)...what else...infrastructure spending(really, our bridges/roads will last without upkeep)...i have to chuckle when someone here hopes/prays this to pass without a deal being done....'cause they have no idea the havoc it will cause.
    Let the one term Marxist president do it. Go for it. Let him live with his decisions. If he prefers cutting off paychecks to the military then let him deal with a million angry armed soldiers. If he wants to cut social security instead of closing down the EPA then let him live with his decision.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    The Republicans are starting to squirm. They're also not making much sense.

    Debt ceiling: Obama warns about Social Security in debt ceiling debate - latimes.com

    McConnell's proposal quickly angered conservatives on and off Capitol Hill, some of whom did not see the logic in walking away from a possible deal that could produce spending cuts in the trillions. Critics called it an abdication of Congress' responsibility, and Freedom Works, the large "tea party" group, urged its Twitter followers to tell McConnell to "find his spine."

    GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said in a tweet that McConnell's proposal was "an irresponsible surrender to big government, big deficits and continued overspending."
    So - they DO understand that there are trillions on the table, and they want the deep cuts - but not enough to actually bring anything of their own to the table.

    Losers.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    worked for Stalin-his protege emulates the master?
    Seemingly. But of course it only worked for a few generations.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He can start by not paying Congress. Why should they get paid?
    Yes. Let's go for it.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    WASHINGTON REPUBLICANS have just made an unmistakable declaration about their priorities: Preventing tax increases is more important than reducing the deficit - even with a federal default looming on the near horizon.

    We can now discount GOP rhetoric about acting like adults, about not kicking the can down the road, about making tough decisions today to spare our kids from more debt tomorrow.

    Sadly, Republican leaders have revealed the emptiness of that lofty talk. They are either unwilling or unable to strike a broad bipartisan compromise on the long-term deficit. House Speaker John Boehner, who had repeatedly urged the president to do a big deficit deal, has just walked away from a possible package that reportedly would have done 75 to 80 percent of the deficit reduction on the spending side. Why? Because of a backlash from rigid right-wingers who rule out any revenue increases.
    Babies. Whiners. Spineless.

    Partisanship over compromise - The Boston Globe

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    why should tax hikes even have any relevance to CUTTING SPENDING
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    Yeah; a shotgun IS a rifle; it uses a different load.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    The Republicans are starting to squirm. They're also not making much sense.
    So - they DO understand that there are trillions on the table, and they want the deep cuts - but not enough to actually bring anything of their own to the table.

    Losers.
    Well, as an alternative have the House of Representatives pass a spending bull that dramatically cuts spending. Then let the Senate do what they can do. But in the end no tax increases.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    OK children, playtime is over. The Republicans have lost this issue. Its time to tuck tail and get this thing done. Raise the debt limit, lick your wounds and live to see another political day. Even the US Chamber of Commerce is saying "no more worry about deficit reduction, tax increases or decreases....just get'er done"

    ".....Chamber President Tom Donohue said in a statement announcing the letter that an “unprecedented default on the nation’s bills would have dire consequences for our economy, our markets, and Main Street Americans....."

    Chamber, Business Groups Warn GOP on Debt Limit Consequences : Roll Call Lobbying

    When are you [Republicans] going to learn that you are getting very bad counsel from the guys at the Tea Party. They look friendly, but they are your worst enemy. You missed an opportunity to get a good deal, but you blew it. Further pursuit of this issue is death to Republicans. Just do the responsible thing and raise the debt limit without conditions.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    This **** looks like a ****ing Trojan horse to me.

    "Obama would be able to veto such legislation. McConnell said he reluctantly offered the unusual proposal because it has become clear the negotiations with Obama are not going anywhere.

    The Republican plan would require that Obama submit spending cuts along with his borrowing requests. But unlike the increase in the debt limit, they wouldn't automatically take effect.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he had spoken briefly to McConnell about the idea and said he would consider it.

    The sweeping new power would only be in effect through the remainder of Obama's term, which ends January 2013. "

    Anything from that chinless puke is suspect.

    McConnell proposes giving Obama debt ceiling power - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis
    Let the one term Marxist president do it. Go for it. Let him live with his decisions. If he prefers cutting off paychecks to the military then let him deal with a million angry armed soldiers. If he wants to cut social security instead of closing down the EPA then let him live with his decision.
    I'm pretty sure it would be viewed as a bipartisan issue by most and not the "fault" of Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by turtle
    why should tax hikes even have any relevance to CUTTING SPENDING
    Balanced budget: Income = Expenditures

    Solution to a budget deficit: increase income, reduce expenditures, a combination of both.

    Are you really that stupid?
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