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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The fact actually is, the only 2 Democrat presidents in recent history (Carter and Clinton) both were either very close to deficit neutral compared to the Republican administrations within that time frame.
    just a simple question for you .... who acturally writes the budgets that the president signs ?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The fact actually is, the only 2 Democrat presidents in recent history (Carter and Clinton) both were either very close to deficit neutral compared to the Republican administrations within that time frame.
    Yeah, they had a bit more "fiscal responsibility" than the Republicans. But it's not like it's that different. Obama is spending like a rocket and now the government can't even come up with a budget; which is their job and both parties fault. I see no functional difference between the two main parties. Neither serve the People.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    just a simple question for you .... who acturally writes the budgets that the president signs ?
    I already understand where you're trying to take this, but it's kind of worthless. Even when Republicans control all three branches of government they still run up massive debt and increase the size of government. The only difference has been the party controlling the white house.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Come this time next year Obama wants to be able to point at the GOP and say they raised taxes.

    I say screw him, this is Obama's debt and recession lit him do what the people want and change his failed policies, of tax and over spend.

    I challenge Obama tp a debate on any subject between Obama and any rock outside my back door and he gets to pick the rock. Of he knows what a rock is.

    Obama gets the first question on economic history, If he gets it wrong , game over rock wins.

    I put all my my money on the rock, and I can't lose.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Thank you for the welcome!

    I based my opinion partly on the comment you made regarding unions. Unions (historically speaking) were a major factor in the creation of the middle class.
    Sorry, but I see this as boilerplate union propaganda. the unions did have a useful place in America at the turn of the 20th century in establishing some guidelines of out of control environments, however as of late, say the past 50 years they have morphed into a liability to American ingenuity, success, and prosperity all in the name of laziness, and their own greed for power.

    The other part is your focus on business owners. If they are making over $250,000 in profit (profit is after all costs have been addressed and accounted for) you are in no danger of having your business fail due to a 3% increase in personal taxation. Those additional taxes will be much more helpful for the rest of the country through entitlement programs, education, infrastructure and research into new technologies to improve America. You are much more value than the business owner's 3% in profit taxation and the smart business owner is very much aware of that... you should be aware of that as well.
    The premise you are laying out here is one where I don't get that 3% though, government does. And although the business might not fail due to a 3% increase in taxation, it doesn't have that money to reinvest in the business either, that makes it weaker. Why is it that you think government can spend that 3% wiser than the person earning it? Didn't the stimulus failure show us differently?

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    Nah, sorry man, I don't think that the government can do that. So yes, keep the 3% in the hands of those that know how to use it.

    You don't sacrifice benefits for the 98% for the benefit of just the 2%. That's simply illogical.
    Explain to me how that 2% man/woman became in debt to the 98%? IOW, if I break your window, I owe you a debt to fix your window. How is the 2% owe anything to the 98% that didn't earn it?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, they had a bit more "fiscal responsibility" than the Republicans. But it's not like it's that different. Obama is spending like a rocket and now the government can't even come up with a budget; which is their job and both parties fault. I see no functional difference between the two main parties. Neither serve the People.
    Number wise it is... but as you say that's neither hear nor there honestly. Neither have been serving the people as they should.

    I just find the claim that Republicans are fiscally conservative a bit lacking in historical evidence.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I already understand where you're trying to take this, but it's kind of worthless. Even when Republicans control all three branches of government they still run up massive debt and increase the size of government. The only difference has been the party controlling the white house.
    Mind you I'm not saying they didn't ... but the point should be made ... that it hasn't only been republicans running up the debt .. . that last two years of Clintons term .. the house and senate was controled by the Republicans ... and for the majority of the time .. of Republcian presidents .. the house and senate have been controlled by Democrats

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Interesting chart.

    Sadly, you'd have to double the length of the Y-axis to fit Obama's yearly contributions. CBO estimates suggest he's on track to add more debt than all those other presidents combined.
    CBO estimates are always wrong. Always have been.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    What do you know? That kind of goes along with the fact that the tax the middle class paid was negligible in comparison to what the rich contributed.

    Funny how that works.
    Because it was true and the middle class pay a higher tax rate than the rich do.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Number wise it is... but as you say that's neither hear nor there honestly. Neither have been serving the people as they should.

    I just find the claim that Republicans are fiscally conservative a bit lacking in historical evidence.
    As compared to what? Liberal spending historically? Really?


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