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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And the difference being, we few on this site do not represent an entire country. THEY need to set their differences aside. THEY need to get their **** together. For us. We, the People. Not their ****ing rich cronies.
    Quite true.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    First of all, can we have a link to the original article. It is hard to comprehend something when it's just quotes selectively stripped out of an article. Secondly, lot of the public speeches from both sides are mere political moves, what they really talk about in private no one really knows, and they probably will never say. My guess is, during the talks, each side will cry foul on the other and try to push blame to other side to gain public support and political leverage during this negotiation. Look at Clinton years where they actually had a shutdown. They eventually got things patched up.

    On a personal level, I think whenever we have a deficit, it means there has to be some tax collected to repay the money owed. He at this point is talking about closing tax loophole, meaning just collecting tax that should be paid but not. So he's not even talking about raising taxes. Besides, look at Reagan, look at Clinton, both ended up raising taxes to cover the deficit. Raising taxes should only be used when you have a deficit meaning the tax collected is less than money spent by the government. So you need to pay taxes equal to the amount your government spent. How can you spent money and pay nothing, who is going to pay it? the next generation? I mean the government shouldn't collect more taxes than needed to cover expense, but it needs to collect the exact amount to cover expense not a penny less or it becomes irresponsible. Or we can do it the Ron Paul way, just cut social programs, SS, military etc. each cut 1/2 budget problem solved, and you pay less taxes.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This may surprise you but the debt has nothing to do with money we haven't spent yet.

    Interesting chart.

    Sadly, you'd have to double the length of the Y-axis to fit Obama's yearly contributions. CBO estimates suggest he's on track to add more debt than all those other presidents combined.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    because the savings the middle class received were negligible in comparison to what the rich received
    What do you know? That kind of goes along with the fact that the tax the middle class paid was negligible in comparison to what the rich contributed.

    Funny how that works.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And the difference being, we few on this site do not represent an entire country. THEY need to set their differences aside. THEY need to get their **** together. For us. We, the People. Not their ****ing rich cronies.
    agreed ... and we can only hope that they aren't as bigoted as most here .. including you

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Interesting chart.

    Sadly, you'd have to double the length of the Y-axis to fit Obama's yearly contributions. CBO estimates suggest he's on track to add more debt than all those other presidents combined.
    Not really surprising. Though this does speak to the "fiscally sound" conservatives more than anything else. Always claiming less debt and smaller government; yet we rarely realize that during a Republican presidency. Now we have two big deficit spending parties. Woot.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Workers (code for unions) don't sign my paycheck, business owners do. My posts reflect that.

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    First, let echo BD Boop's welcome.

    Now, no insult taken, however, let me as what makes you think I don't value my labor? Truck drivers are among the most independent group of employee blocks in the nation. We are constantly struggling to find better wages, and working conditions, or even striking out on our own. As evidenced by the number of truckers that are constantly changing whom they drive for.
    Thank you for the welcome!

    I based my opinion partly on the comment you made regarding unions. Unions (historically speaking) were a major factor in the creation of the middle class.

    The other part is your focus on business owners. If they are making over $250,000 in profit (profit is after all costs have been addressed and accounted for) you are in no danger of having your business fail due to a 3% increase in personal taxation. Those additional taxes will be much more helpful for the rest of the country through entitlement programs, education, infrastructure and research into new technologies to improve America. You are much more value than the business owner's 3% in profit taxation and the smart business owner is very much aware of that... you should be aware of that as well.

    Fighting for the business owner to keep 3% of their profits for fear they'll fire people just doesn't make sense when the nation itself hangs in the balance.

    You don't sacrifice benefits for the 98% for the benefit of just the 2%. That's simply illogical.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not really surprising. Though this does speak to the "fiscally sound" conservatives more than anything else. Always claiming less debt and smaller government; yet we rarely realize that during a Republican presidency. Now we have two big deficit spending parties. Woot.
    you are right ... the only difference I see ... is that one side is trying to change ... while the other side ... is trying to continue with the increased spending .. . I let you decide who is who .

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not really surprising. Though this does speak to the "fiscally sound" conservatives more than anything else. Always claiming less debt and smaller government; yet we rarely realize that during a Republican presidency. Now we have two big deficit spending parties. Woot.
    The fact actually is, the only 2 Democrat presidents in recent history (Carter and Clinton) both were either very close to deficit neutral compared to the Republican administrations within that time frame.
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