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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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what about all the folks who don't earn a dime, and simply live off their inherited or earned wealth from past years?

billionaires not paying taxes is frightening.

Lucky them, So long as they pay their taxes, where's the harm?
 
they're not "your" jobs. they belong to the people who create them. if you make it too expensive and difficult for them to create them over here, guess what? they will do so elsewhere.

I didn't say they were MY jobs. I said they were OUR jobs.

The rightwing doesn't understand the word "our"
 
I understand your point and I can respect that. I see it that the GOP does not want to fall for anymore lies about actually cutting the budget.

The GOP just wants to keep telling lies about cutting the budget. They always promise to do so, and always fail, even when they controlled Congress and the White House
 
what about all the folks who don't earn a dime, and simply live off their inherited or earned wealth from past years?

billionaires not paying taxes is frightening.

how does someone who inherits money not pay any taxes? are you saying they just take a lump sum of money (that was subjected to confiscatory death taxes) and do nothing but spend it? so what. how does that hurt you?
 
Let's be realisitic. The govt will never willingly divest itself of power, not even a little bit....
As long as the 2 party system keeps handing us poor choices to vote for, the status quo will remain.

The only people who think our salvation lies with one party are the hyper-partisans. They are blinded by their emotional attachment to party
 
The GOP just wants to keep telling lies about cutting the budget. They always promise to do so, and always fail, even when they controlled Congress and the White House

Where is one of those silly pie charts you post pretending to prove such a claim

dems claim that they will cut spending and need tax hikes to do that. that is dishonest beyond belief

dems want tax hikes so they can convince the stupid that there is actually MORE Money that the dems can spend on buying the votes of the stupid
 
Me too.

So which party in power has filed to pass a budget for the last two years? Democrats in the Senate? And which party has passed a budget, on time? Republicans in the House.

I think the Republicans should just walk away. Let the one term Marxist president Obama come to them with a plan, in writing. Reject it if it increases tax rates on the people who are already paying. Let him come with another plan. Reject it if it fails to cut the 25% growth in government we have experienced since this regime took control. Repeat until we have a good deal. Or walk away from any deal.

It's the Houses' responsibility to pass a budget, and not just any budget. They have to pass one that has a chance of geting through the Senate.
 
Changing someone elses post does rank right up there with labeling a president a Marxist.
I can see that at some point I will have to walk you through the reasons why I believe the president's core values are Marxist. My believe stems from my experiences in the Army as a military intelligence officer. During the 1980s I spent a great deal of my time reading Marx and Engels. Marx had a theory but he had no real world experiences. I moved on to Marxism-Leninism. This was the embodiment and an extension of Marx's pernicious theory, applied in a real place with real (tragic) consequences. Given that Mao Tse-tung (sometimes spelled Zedong) was also very influential I read what I could of his writings as well.

Does the label fit the one term president perfectly? No. No label could. Especially not a label from such an old, outdated, economic and political theory. But deep down inside the one term president's belief system are the central tenets of the Marxist himself. Marxists, and the democratic party, are absolutely wedded to the concept of classes. They use agitation and propaganda to keep class warfare alive. The one term president was an agitator before he was the president. He continues to agitate today, doesn't he?

The one term president is conspiratorial. He lies constantly about nearly everything. He conceals what should be public.

The one term president believes he has a mission to redistribute the nation's wealth from the people who have earned it to the people likely to vote for him. This is also Marxist.

And then there all of those associations with Marxists, communists and socialists all throughout his life.

I will find some time to pull all of this together. I believe I have a day off coming up.
 
Sure they'll move their companies to other countries, and are doing so. As well, they're moving too. I meet them regularly.

It happened to the UK, it happened in Canada and now it's happening in the States. It's been going on since taxes were invented.

Maybe that should be taught in schools.

And none of those companies cite taxes as the reason why they outsourced. They do it because they can get cheap labor.
 
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constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda or rants that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example, tax cuts do cause deficits. and its republican spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is blame the middle class for being parasites. Its the stupidity and corruption of rightwingers that causes the deficits
 
constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda or rants that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example, tax cuts do cause deficits. and its republican spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is blame the middle class for being parasites. Its the stupidity and corruption of rightwingers that causes the deficits


when you say tax cuts cause deficits rather than spending you pretty much have left the realm of reality
 
There are those who feel the money they earn should be theirs, and any unreasonable demands by government will either discourage them from earning more, or they will leave for a more friendly environment. At one time that friendly environment used to be the United States.

When they can earn their money without using public resources like our roads, electricity, the post office, water, the internet, etc, then they can keep it all. Until then, we're taking our cut.
 
how does someone who inherits money not pay any taxes? are you saying they just take a lump sum of money (that was subjected to confiscatory death taxes) and do nothing but spend it? so what. how does that hurt you?

It goes against the idea that in America, you are what you make yourself - not what Daddykins and Mumsy bestowed upon you. And that hurts America.
 
It's the Houses' responsibility to pass a budget, and not just any budget. They have to pass one that has a chance of geting through the Senate.

The Democrats had the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress for TWO years and failed to pass a budget. Obama proposed his own goofy budget and it was defeated 97-0.

You want Republicans to pass a budget? Vote for them in the next election.
 
Many believe that the rich and corporations exist to fund the needs of others and when a corporation or a wealthy person moves away to avoid being looted, the parasites and their panderers claim that such a movement is "betrayal"

that is one reason why the left abhors states rights and want a huge federal government-if welfare and other handouts were left to the states as the founders intended, any state that became too greedy would quickly go bankrupt as the wealthy would leave as the dependents and welfare addicts would swarm in.

it would keep any one or a few states from becoming too generous to the non-producers and too hostile to the earners. the left despises such a system and wants the federal government to impose redistribution nationally

Many believe that the middle class exists to service the needs of corporations and the wealthy. Threats from the wealthy to move away to avoid paying their fair share are empty and should be mocked because the wealthy parasites and their panderers are cowards and have no intention of carrying through with the threats

that is one reason why the right loves states rights and want a huge federal government-if welfare and other handouts were left to the people as the founders intended, any rightwinger that became too greedy would quickly be hung fo treason and the wealthy would quake.

it would keep any one or a few states from becoming too greedy to the wealthy non-producers and too hostile to the workers. the right despises such a system and wants their corporate overlords to impose redistribution nationally
 
tax-cuts without an equal amount in spending cuts, means a higher deficit.

its simple logic.

that is somewhat accurate but you assume that tax cuts mean a guaranteed reduction of revenue which may or may not be true

but what causes the deficits is SPENDING
 
And none of those companies cite taxes as the reason why they outsourced. They do it because they can get cheap labor.

They'll do it for a number of reasons. If companies can make more money elsewhere, given the right opportunities and incentives, they'll move. That's just what people do as well.
 
No. It wouldn't. Again, there is really nothing more than lip service to anyone actually wanting to solve the problem, especially in the states. Those who make money, want cheap labor. As long as that is true, there will be a place here for illegals.

Their corporate master need the cheap labor. Too bad the wingnuts will never realize that their so-called representatives are never going to deliver on their promises to close the border
 
constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda or rants that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example, tax cuts do cause deficits. and its republican spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is blame the middle class for being parasites. Its the stupidity and corruption of rightwingers that causes the deficits

Nice rant.
 
It goes against the idea that in America, you are what you make yourself - not what Daddykins and Mumsy bestowed upon you. And that hurts America.

what really goes against what America was founded on is 47% of the voters not paying any federal income taxes but instead lying back and sucking of the wealth that others earned. Income tax runs contrary to the idea upon which this country was founded

if you are going to spew your hate at the rich based on what America is based on you need to save most of your loathing for the freeloaders. a kid who inherits a billion and never invests it but merely goes under the mattress each week to spend some of what was left after the death tax toll might be a sloth but he isn't costing me any money because as you say, the dead don't pay taxes and what was taking from his inheritance is going to cover his costs for the rest of his life if a billion remains. what costs me money are those who are getting money FROM the taxpayers merely because they EXIST and they cannot or will not (or a combination thereof) pay their own way

and your claim about America is complete BS. Much of what this country was founded on was people making sacrifices so their children would have it better than they did. Its the mindset of just about every old money family around. People who saved and invested and worked hard for their children rather than spending recklessly and foolishly.
 
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