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Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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What Catawba said is precisely accurate. These are temporary tax cuts set to expire. The question is not whether to keep taxes as they are or raise them. The question is whether to allow the tax cuts to expire as intended or extend the tax cuts.
Let's make the tax rates permanent. Just as it is easy for politicians to cling to power by giving temporary tax rate changes, so it is easy to change our intention and make the tax rates lower permanently.

Then let's begin taxing the 47% (or whatever the actual number is) who do not pay federal income taxes.
Then let's eliminate every department that is extra-constitutional. Let's fire the people, sell off the furniture, sell the buildings and the lands. Repeal the extra-constitutional regulations.
Then let's sell off the massive holdings of federal lands.

For starters. Next week we can think of some more things to do to divest the federal government of its enormous power.
 
Let's make the tax rates permanent. Just as it is easy for politicians to cling to power by giving temporary tax rate changes, so it is easy to change our intention and make the tax rates lower permanently.

Then let's begin taxing the 47% (or whatever the actual number is) who do not pay federal income taxes.
Then let's eliminate every department that is extra-constitutional. Let's fire the people, sell off the furniture, sell the buildings and the lands. Repeal the extra-constitutional regulations.
Then let's sell off the massive holdings of federal lands.

For starters. Next week we can think of some more things to do to divest the federal government of its enormous power.

Let's be realisitic. The govt will never willingly divest itself of power, not even a little bit....
As long as the 2 party system keeps handing us poor choices to vote for, the status quo will remain.
 
Good....I hope that you are right.
Me too.
And the Party of NO will pay dearly for their incompetence and childishness. The American people expect Congress to work to find solutions....all that the GOP is offering is continuning to be the party of No ideas.
So which party in power has filed to pass a budget for the last two years? Democrats in the Senate? And which party has passed a budget, on time? Republicans in the House.

I think the Republicans should just walk away. Let the one term Marxist president Obama come to them with a plan, in writing. Reject it if it increases tax rates on the people who are already paying. Let him come with another plan. Reject it if it fails to cut the 25% growth in government we have experienced since this regime took control. Repeat until we have a good deal. Or walk away from any deal.
 
Me too.

So which party in power has filed to pass a budget for the last two years? Democrats in the Senate? And which party has passed a budget, on time? Republicans in the House.

I think the Republicans should just walk away. Let the one term Marxist president Obama come to them with a plan, in writing. Reject it if it increases tax rates on the people who are already paying. Let him come with another plan. Reject it if it fails to cut the 25% growth in government we have experienced since this regime took control. Repeat until we have a good deal. Or walk away from any deal.

It that kind of thinking that is going to get us nowhere!
 
Just because you don't know the meaning of something, that doesnt make it meaningless

And the selfish rich aren't moving to other countries. They're just moving OUR jobs overseas.

Haven't you heard?

Sure they'll move their companies to other countries, and are doing so. As well, they're moving too. I meet them regularly.

It happened to the UK, it happened in Canada and now it's happening in the States. It's been going on since taxes were invented.

Maybe that should be taught in schools.
 
I have to say, I was very troubled today to learn that we pay our debt-interest obligations..with loans!!!

that ain't sustainable.
It works great right now... we constantly roll over short term loans at rock bottom (artificially low) interest rates. But when interest rates start to rise (and they have nowhere else to go), that's a whole 'nother story. A quick swing upward could be disasterous. Needless to say, the White House budget predictions for the next decade assume these historically low rates will continue for another 10 years. If they were to go back to average or above average levels, it could add 500bil to 1tril to the yearly deficit. At that point, "slashing" spending won't just be rhetoric.

In a way, we resemble a lot of Americans from just a few years ago... we're sitting in a nice big house on a 2% ARM, knee deep in debt, and are arguing about whether we should sell the patio furniture or pull in a few extra hours at work to make ends meet in the short term... Assuming of course that we'll soon be pulling in the big bucks, long before that loan adjusts.
 
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constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda graphs or pie charts that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example tax cuts do not cause deficits. Its spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is claiming maintaining spending at a given level after massive tax cuts results in deficits. Its the maintenance that causes the deficits not the cuts
 
fixed that for ya.

changing people's posts is rather silly. Has Misterveritis ever claimed that the empty suit is a non-citizen or a Muslim. He is half Kenyan in terms of heritage though not citizenship
 
I say let them leave. I believe in freedom. You are free to believe otherwise

It's the rightwingers who want to put a wall up on our border

Haven't you heard?

I do believe in freedom, and so do the wealthy.

Yes, and it's the left wingers who want to have open borders, supply illegals with all the benefits, and have 'the wealthy' pay for it. It seems the people who actually pay the taxes are tiring of this system.
 
I do believe in greedom, and so do the wealthy.

Yes, and it's the left wingers who want to have open borders, supply illegals with all the benefits, and have 'the wealthy' pay for it. It seems the people who actually pay the taxes are tiring of this system.

Very funny typo. ;)
 
This is definitely a morbid thought .. and a reason why some other countries likely started disallowing people to leave their country. Greedy people will always try to find ways to exploit others and if that means moving to another immoral country, they'll likely do it.
Once tyranny begins it always ends poorly. Will we see walls built to keep us in Nobama's paradise?
 
As noted earlier, the countries they have to choose from to go and continue to exploit aren't that great anyway ... not many countries have tax rates like the U.S. ... I don't think we have to worry too much (perhaps I am underestimating their greed?)

There are those who feel the money they earn should be theirs, and any unreasonable demands by government will either discourage them from earning more, or they will leave for a more friendly environment. At one time that friendly environment used to be the United States.
 
changing people's posts is rather silly. Has Misterveritis ever claimed that the empty suit is a non-citizen or a Muslim. He is half Kenyan in terms of heritage though not citizenship

Changing someone elses post does rank right up there with labeling a president a Marxist.
 
Very funny typo. ;)

Yes, I can see where that could be amusing. It seems that those who don't give in to the demands of government are 'greedy'.

What about the intent of the post? Are you in disagreement?
 
Changing someone elses post does rank right up there with labeling a president a Marxist.

No, labeling a president a Marxist is expressing a belief, but changing a person's post is committed only by the most dishonest and dishonorable among us.
 
Once tyranny begins it always ends poorly. Will we see walls built to keep us in Nobama's paradise?
Many believe that the rich and corporations exist to fund the needs of others and when a corporation or a wealthy person moves away to avoid being looted, the parasites and their panderers claim that such a movement is "betrayal"

that is one reason why the left abhors states rights and want a huge federal government-if welfare and other handouts were left to the states as the founders intended, any state that became too greedy would quickly go bankrupt as the wealthy would leave as the dependents and welfare addicts would swarm in.

it would keep any one or a few states from becoming too generous to the non-producers and too hostile to the earners. the left despises such a system and wants the federal government to impose redistribution nationally
 
No, labeling a president a Marxist is expressing a belief, but changing a person's post is committed only by the most dishonest and dishonorable among us.

Neither really accomplishes anything IMO. But then again, perhaps most things accomplish nothing.
 
Changing someone elses post does rank right up there with labeling a president a Marxist.

I disagree-one is clearly dishonest, the other might well be honestly believed.
 
Let's be realisitic. The govt will never willingly divest itself of power, not even a little bit....
As long as the 2 party system keeps handing us poor choices to vote for, the status quo will remain.

It would be less of a problem if there were still state rights, as was originally intended.
 
Yes, I can see where that could be amusing. It seems that those who don't give in to the demands of government are 'greedy'.

What about the intent of the post? Are you in disagreement?

Hey, I recognized it as a typo. I would think you'd have a real complaint if I didn't.

The rest is nonsense. No party wants to stop illegals. If they did, it would be stopped. The laws to do so are already on the books. You could go complete republican party, not one democrat in office, and tens years from now, the problem would still be there. You guys put a lot of stock in talk, but seem to never see what actions, or lack there of, have ever been taken. The wealthy, especially the top 1% who a good deal of the country, are not abused and are not hurting. Whining for them is not really a productive, and you might find a good number of people making a good living, 250, 000 or more a year, really like illegals. If they weren't providing jobs for them, illegals wouldn't be here in the numbers they are.
 
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