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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    then WHY do Cons want less freedom for the American people?
    why do you ask a question that is so stupid?

    its you who wants to ban handguns for starters and want the government confiscating more wealth from individuals



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How much do the top 1% control? How much does the top .1% control? That's the question. How much has that percentage changed over time? Have they consolidated more wealth and power at the cost of the middle and lower classes facilitated through laws and beneficial tax payer give aways?

    I don't think that I should pay less, but getting rid of tax loopholes and beneficial definitions so that all income is treated like income isn't that. It's just setting the system straight. If we're going to have income tax, then all income must be considered income and taxed appropriately.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do you ask a question that is so stupid?
    Cons want less freedom for the American people. I am asking you why this is.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    The so-called "Radical" change we want is a return to Constitutional restrictions on the Federal Government and a reduction of the Federal Government back to its original mandates. Is that way too much to ask? Oh but you're a LIBERAL, you think big daddy government is the end all to our problems.
    Yes, it is.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Cons want less freedom for the American people. I am asking you why this is.
    I am saying you are wrong

    some cons want less freedom for certain groups-gays especially and abortion supporters

    most dems want less freedom for ALL americans such as gun rights, higher taxes etc



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong-real progress is more freedom and less governmental control-not a bigger and bigger nanny state
    wrong, real progress is less rightwing nuttery and a more progressive income tax
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Raising taxes isn't going to solve the deficit.
    Of course it won't.... but it is a powerful tool in the toolbag, and you are not going to solve the deficit without it. People that refuse to consider tax increases are not serious about the deficit.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most dems want less freedom for ALL americans such as gun rights, higher taxes etc
    Dems do not want higher taxes for the Middle-class and the poor.

    We only want higher taxes for the filthy rich, who's taxes keep going down...down...down.

    Cons, however, want to restrict the freedom of the people AND the states.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    ah, so you want to end direct popular election of the Senate?

    you want to put the dollar back on the Gold Standard?

    you want to scrap every Amendment after the Bill of Rights?

    wow.
    They must also support slavery, poll taxes, and making contraception illegal. It's their idea of more freedom
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more nonsense

    top one percent make 22% of the income and pay almost 40% of the income tax and basically all the death tax

    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data
    The latest numbers from the IRS – based on 2008 tax returns – show that the top 1% of income earners paid 38.02% of individual income taxes paid. That’s a lot, but it’s actually a smaller share of the total tax bill than the top 1% paid in 2007. That year they paid 40.42%. We also learn from the IRS that, in 2008, the richest 1% of Americans made 20% of all the adjusted gross income reported. That’s almost twice the 12.75% of total income earned collectively by the lowest-earning 50% of workers. Yes, 1.4 million taxpayers earn 20% of all income reported while 70 million share just 12.75%.

    But get this: When it comes to taxes paid, an even wider discrepancy shows itself -- in reverse. Compared with that 38% of taxes paid by the top 1% of earners, the bottom 50% pay just 2.7% of the taxes collected.

    These income and tax burden breakdowns come from information reported on 2008 individual income tax returns. Income categories are based on adjusted gross income (AGI), which is basically salary plus investment, rental and business income minus investment losses and expenses such as alimony paid, contributions to retirement plans, moving expenses and a few other costs.

    (Note that these figures include only federal income taxes. According to one study, 56% of all wage earners pay more in Social Security and Medicare taxes than they do income tax and the percentage of those paying more payroll tax than income tax soars to 86% if you count both the employer and employee share of Social Security and Medicare taxes.)

    For historical perspective, back in 1986, the top 1% of earners reported 11% of all income and paid 26% of the income taxes; the lower-earning 50% made 17% of the income and paid 6% of the nation’s individual income tax bill.
    So let's see here. Since 86, the top 1% consolidated near 100% times their wealth, from 11% to 20%. Who was in charge in the 80's? Oh yes, Ronald Reagan. If we kept the same ratio under Reagan today, the top 1% would be paying 47% of all the taxes. But the 2008 taxes show 38%, down from the 40% you keep quoting BTW. So they're almost 10% below Reagan era.

    So...where the **** are our jobs? That's the payout right? But instead, we see the wealth gap widen even more as the top keep consolidating power. Economic mobility is shut down, the laws are made to profit the ones at top at the expense of those at the bottom.
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