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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still don't get it

    you have yet to prove your claim

    you cannot prove cause and effect
    No, you don't get it.

    After whinging about how tax cuts spur the economy, I have shown the rightwingers that the facts do not support THEIR claims

    The rightwingers say tax cuts create jobs - the charts show they didn't
    The rightwingers say tax cuts grow the economy- the charts show they didn't

    If tax cuts create jobs, then where are the jobs? bush* cut taxes, and no jobs were created.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what facts

    I realize you don't understand that because two things happen at the same time it proves that one caused the other

    as the rich's burden of the income tax load increases, so does the deficit so do you want to make a claim on that one

    or the fact that the USA became a major debtor nation with the advent of affirmative action?
    And you don't understand that "tax cuts create jobs" is completely refuted by the fact that jobs were not created
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Hey Bassman, why are you ignoring my point that Jimmy Carter didn't have double digit unemployment? Didn't even reach 8% during his presidency, actually. You've mixed him up with Reagan I'm afraid.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    How so?? Taxes are way too high here as it is!
    Thank Pataki
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..or the fact that the USA became a major debtor nation with the advent of affirmative action?
    again, its fun watching Cons derail the debate.

    hey Turtledude, can you show us any times in history where tax-cuts caused job-growth?

    how about any times in history where lower tax-rates for the wealthy led to increased economic activity?
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Meowenstein View Post
    BS. They voted for them because they claimed that they would focus on jobs and the economy. As anybody can see, they have done nothing of the sort. All they've done so far is focus on abortion and gays, and as far as the economy is concerned, they've only made investors and employers feel more uncertain because of the GOP's unwillingness to negotiate with Dems on the budget and the debt ceiling, which actually risks making the economy worse.
    You forgot the tax pledge that was signed before the elections. Employers don't want the debt ceiling raised. They know that the tax man will be coming after them for it. Yes, investors do want it raised. Who can blame them after the billions they were gave the last 3 years.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you don't get it.

    After whinging about how tax cuts spur the economy, I have shown the rightwingers that the facts do not support THEIR claims

    The rightwingers say tax cuts create jobs - the charts show they didn't
    The rightwingers say tax cuts grow the economy- the charts show they didn't

    If tax cuts create jobs, then where are the jobs? bush* cut taxes, and no jobs were created.
    you are confused

    I support tax cuts for several reasons

    1) the rich pay too much-their taxes should be cut to where they are paying their share which is far less than what they pay now

    2) the government is too big-we need to starve it

    3) democrats use tax hikes to justify more spending. I want to hurt the dem party since they are contrary to my interests

    tax hikes don't create jobs either

    in fact you can only support tax hikes if you can prove they help and you cannot



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Taxes need to be raised, especially on the richest among us. Period. If you don't agree, you're not a patriot. Now it's your turn to show people you're prepared to sacrifice. Think about it. If the situation worsens, radical ideologies may sprout up and then your wealth will be much more in danger than before, because when people are desperate, they elect radical governments that take radical steps to fix the problems. You don't want the Government freezing or confiscating your accounts, so please don't let the economy reach a point of no return. You've been warned.

    And if you think depositing your wealth on foreign accounts is going to help, consider that a US default could plunge the whole world into chaos. With no one to protect you or no one to turn to, most of the world going hungry and desperate, you'll be defenseless and you'll lose everything you have.
    Freedom is not free.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    again, its fun watching Cons derail the debate.

    hey Turtledude, can you show us any times in history where tax-cuts caused job-growth?

    how about any times in history where lower tax-rates for the wealthy led to increased economic activity?
    It seems your posts are doing that



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Иосиф Сталин View Post
    Taxes need to be raised, especially on the richest among us. Period. If you don't agree, you're not a patriot. Now it's your turn to show people you're prepared to sacrifice. Think about it. If the situation worsens, radical ideologies may sprout up and then your wealth will be much more in danger than before, because when people are desperate, they elect radical governments that take radical steps to fix the problems. You don't want the Government freezing or confiscating your accounts, so please don't let the economy reach a point of no return. You've been warned.

    And if you think depositing your wealth on foreign accounts is going to help, consider that a US default could plunge the whole world into chaos. With no one to protect you or no one to turn to, most of the world going hungry and desperate, you'll be defenseless and you'll lose everything you have.
    47% of the country are traitors then

    Your mindset is akin to the one in the quote that follows

    (pay more or we will take it from you)



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