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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How do you know that they don't get additional benefits from the govt? Do you follow them around and measure the benefits they receive? Maybe you could post the response in the thread devoted to explaining how this could be done.
    feel free to list any de jure benefits and the code from which they can be found

    or de facto benefits that come from the government that you can back up with proof



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The analysis doesn't trump BLS data. I have posted the actual charts many times only to be ignored. Clinton did NOT create 23 million jobs, it was 18 million. Reagan's was 16.8 after inheriting a 19.33 misery index, 17.5% interest rates and rising unemployment. Reagan lost jobs during his first two years because of the conditions he inherited, Clinton inherited a growing economy
    Official Employment numbers, Total employment from the BLS and the chart is listed

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000 Dec-07 Jun-09
    Seasonally Adjusted Mar-01 Nov-01
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level Jul-90 Mar-91
    Labor force status: Employed Jul-81 Nov-82
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2010

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
    1980 99879 99995 99713 99233 98945 98682 98796 98824 99077 99317 99545 99634
    1981 99955 100191 100571 101056 101048 100298 100693 100689 100064 100378 100207 99645
    1982 99692 99762 99672 99576 100116 99543 99493 99633 99504 99215 99112 99032
    1983 99161 99089 99179 99560 99642 100633 101208 101608 102016 102039 102729 102996
    1984 103201 103824 103967 104336 105193 105591 105435 105163 105490 105638 105972 106223
    1985 106302 106555 106989 106936 106932 106505 106807 107095 107657 107847 108007 108216
    1986 108887 108480 108837 108952 109089 109576 109810 110015 110085 110273 110475 110728
    1987 110953 111257 111408 111794 112434 112246 112634 113057 112909 113282 113505 113793
    1988 114016 114227 114037 114650 114292 114927 115060 115282 115356 115638 116100 116104
    1989 116708 116776 117022 117097 117099 117418 117472 117655 117354 117581 117912 117830
    1990 119081 119059 119203 118852 119151 118983 118810 118802 118524 118536 118306 118241
    1991 117940 117755 117652 118109 117440 117639 117568 117484 117928 117800 117770 117466
    1992 117978 117753 118144 118426 118375 118419 118713 118826 118720 118628 118876 118997
    1993 119075 119275 119542 119474 120115 120290 120467 120856 120554 120823 121169 121464
    1994 121966 122086 121930 122290 122864 122634 122706 123342 123687 124112 124516 124721
    1995 124663 124928 124955 124945 124421 124522 124816 124852 125133 125388 125188 125088
    1996 125125 125639 125862 125994 126244 126602 126947 127172 127536 127890 127771 127860
    1997 128298 128298 128891 129143 129464 129412 129822 130010 130019 130179 130653 130679
    1998 130726 130807 130814 131209 131325 131244 131329 131390 131986 131999 132280 132602
    1999 133027 132856 132947 132955 133311 133378 133414 133591 133707 133993 134309 134523
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792 1678573 139881.0833
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206 1668629 139052.4167
    2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    feel free to list any de jure benefits and the code from which they can be found

    or de facto benefits that come from the government that you can back up with proof
    farm subsidies. tens of billions a year.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    feel free to list any de jure benefits and the code from which they can be found

    or de facto benefits that come from the government that you can back up with proof
    We're still waiting for you to do that. After all, you're the one who thinks that how the taxes should be computed.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Official Employment numbers, Total employment from the BLS and the chart is listed

    Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
    Original Data Value

    Series Id: LNS12000000 Dec-07 Jun-09
    Seasonally Adjusted Mar-01 Nov-01
    Series title: (Seas) Employment Level Jul-90 Mar-91
    Labor force status: Employed Jul-81 Nov-82
    Type of data: Number in thousands
    Age: 16 years and over
    Years: 1980 to 2010

    Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
    1980 99879 99995 99713 99233 98945 98682 98796 98824 99077 99317 99545 99634
    1981 99955 100191 100571 101056 101048 100298 100693 100689 100064 100378 100207 99645
    1982 99692 99762 99672 99576 100116 99543 99493 99633 99504 99215 99112 99032
    1983 99161 99089 99179 99560 99642 100633 101208 101608 102016 102039 102729 102996
    1984 103201 103824 103967 104336 105193 105591 105435 105163 105490 105638 105972 106223
    1985 106302 106555 106989 106936 106932 106505 106807 107095 107657 107847 108007 108216
    1986 108887 108480 108837 108952 109089 109576 109810 110015 110085 110273 110475 110728
    1987 110953 111257 111408 111794 112434 112246 112634 113057 112909 113282 113505 113793
    1988 114016 114227 114037 114650 114292 114927 115060 115282 115356 115638 116100 116104
    1989 116708 116776 117022 117097 117099 117418 117472 117655 117354 117581 117912 117830
    1990 119081 119059 119203 118852 119151 118983 118810 118802 118524 118536 118306 118241
    1991 117940 117755 117652 118109 117440 117639 117568 117484 117928 117800 117770 117466
    1992 117978 117753 118144 118426 118375 118419 118713 118826 118720 118628 118876 118997
    1993 119075 119275 119542 119474 120115 120290 120467 120856 120554 120823 121169 121464
    1994 121966 122086 121930 122290 122864 122634 122706 123342 123687 124112 124516 124721
    1995 124663 124928 124955 124945 124421 124522 124816 124852 125133 125388 125188 125088
    1996 125125 125639 125862 125994 126244 126602 126947 127172 127536 127890 127771 127860
    1997 128298 128298 128891 129143 129464 129412 129822 130010 130019 130179 130653 130679
    1998 130726 130807 130814 131209 131325 131244 131329 131390 131986 131999 132280 132602
    1999 133027 132856 132947 132955 133311 133378 133414 133591 133707 133993 134309 134523
    2000 136559 136598 136701 137270 136630 136940 136531 136662 136893 137088 137322 137614
    2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
    2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
    2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
    2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
    2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
    2006 143142 143444 143765 143794 144108 144370 144229 144631 144797 145292 145477 145914
    2007 146032 146043 146368 145686 145952 146079 145926 145685 146193 145885 146483 146173
    2008 146421 146165 146173 146306 146023 145768 145515 145187 145021 144677 143907 143188
    2009 142221 141687 140854 140902 140438 140038 139817 139433 138768 138242 138381 137792 1678573 139881.0833
    2010 138333 138641 138905 139455 139420 139119 138960 139250 139391 139061 138888 139206 1668629 139052.4167
    2011 139323 139573 139864 139674 139779 139334
    No link, and no analysis. You couldn't even get the collumnar format straightened out
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    many of our governors are leading the way, americans are witnessing miracles worked at the state level

    Many states celebrate surpluses as Congress struggles with debt

    mitch daniels has accumulated a ONE POINT TWO BILLION dollar SURPLUS in hoosier-ville!

    he's giving out BONUSES to state employees!

    butch otter in idaho is EIGHTY FIVE MILLION AHEAD!

    terry branstad in iowa---FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS!

    how EXCITING!

    finally, some HOPE! some CHANGE!

    maine, ohio, arkansas, south carolina...

    the laboratories of liberty in progress

    GO, CUOMO, GO!
    Last edited by The Prof; 07-19-11 at 07:11 PM.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    we werent about to default on our debt or trillions in the hole
    So how come debt wasn't much of an issue until Reagan fostered in supply-side economics? Seems to me, trickle down is really trickled on.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How do you know that they don't get additional benefits from the govt? Do you follow them around and measure the benefits they receive? Maybe you could post the response in the thread devoted to explaining how this could be done.
    The top marginal rate during first years of Reagan's term was 50% and all the conservatives seem to think that was great.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No link, and no analysis. You couldn't even get the collumnar format straightened out
    As usual you don't know what you are talking about, pretty easy to analyze take the January numbers when Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, and Obama took office and compare them.

    Clinton took office January 1993 and there wre 119.075 million employed people so that is hardly inheriting a recession that ended in March 1991. I just couldn't take the misinformation any more

    By the way, the chart name is listed, go to BLS.gov and find it yourself. Learn something
    Last edited by Conservative; 07-19-11 at 07:15 PM.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post

    the rich get money & subsidies for their companies, corporations, businesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    You call keeping more of what you earn in the form of subsidies as the govt. giving the rich something? Wow?
    WTF?? He's not talking about tax cuts, he's he's talking about corporate welfare.



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