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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Its is sad that you do not want people to be all they can be in America. It is sad that you have to defend the fops and dandies of the upper class while carrying water for them.

    Interesting article.

    It fails to look at two very real facts of life in America:
    1) Social Security has not added one dollar in deficit spending in any year since it was enacted
    2) Social Security has not added one dollar to the national debt at any time in the last seven plus decades

    But we are led to believe by the right wing extremists that we must cut the program to save the national deficit crisis. Sorry, one plus one does not make fifty-eight.
    So why is Obama threatening to not pay social security to seniors?

    The GOP needs to call this bluff absolutely. We are not going to default, the SS checks will go out, and the government will once again be exposed as the fraud it is.

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    fops must be stopped!

    it's just that---ever since edith wharton and mrs astor (LOL!), there just aren't that many fops to be found

    meanwhile:

    The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

    Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

    Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies.
    july 7: In debt talks, Obama offers Social Security cuts - The Washington Post

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see. Your OT posts are OK. Others relevant posts are not
    Again, the title of the thread is " Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

    Thus the philosophies which led to this greatest debt in US history could be discussed.

    Marxism was given as one excuse and, given Obama's history, not completely without justification.

    To what political philosophy do you attribute his fiscal madness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So why is Obama threatening to not pay social security to seniors?

    The GOP needs to call this bluff absolutely. We are not going to default, the SS checks will go out, and the government will once again be exposed as the fraud it is.
    Lets see ..... I would welcome the GOP right wing fanatics drunk on libertarian kool-aid led by Eric Can't..er to do what they look like they desire to do. Sometimes you have to smell the crap in order to motivate the energy needed to flush it away.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We will see ... we will see.

    Apparently your side loves to talk about ending Social Security and you get all loud and proud about it with each other... but let somebody alert seniors to the plan and you get all nervous and outraged. What gives with that ?
    "My side" understands personal responsibility, yours promotes govt. responsibility and in order to prove it always promotes higher taxes and more spending. You and I both know that SS has been on budget since the 60's and the surplus in SS has been used and replaced with IOU's that are now basically worthless. "Your" President's Hope and change message offers a different definition that the electorate believed and now the "chickens are coming home to roost" as one of Obama's mentors loves to say. We don't need tax cuts, we need more taxpayers.

    Press Releases - Newsroom - U.S. Senator for Florida, Marco Rubio

    “We don't need new taxes. We need new taxpayers, people that are gainfully employed, making money and paying into the tax system. Then we need a government that has the discipline to take that additional revenue and use it to pay down the debt and never grow it again. That's what we should be focused on, and that's what we're not focused on.

    “You look at all these taxes being proposed, and here's what I say. I say we should analyze every single one of them through the lens of job creation, issue number one in America. I want to know which one of these taxes they're proposing will create jobs. I want to know how many jobs are going to be created by the plane tax. How many jobs are going to be created by the oil company tax I heard so much about. How many jobs are created by going after the millionaires and billionaires the president talks about? I want to know: How many jobs do they create?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We will see ... we will see.

    Apparently your side loves to talk about ending Social Security and you get all loud and proud about it with each other... but let somebody alert seniors to the plan and you get all nervous and outraged. What gives with that ?
    I'd really appreciate if you alerted everyone to this plan about ending Social Security, Haymarket, because I've seen no mention of it anywhere.

    Could you please provide a copy of this plan?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes



    Once again, who isn't willing to compromise?
    Is it unreasonable to ask for some tax hikes if you've already put $4 trillion in spending cuts on the table?
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lets see ..... I would welcome the GOP right wing fanatics drunk on libertarian kool-aid led by Eric Can't..er to do what they look like they desire to do. Sometimes you have to smell the crap in order to motivate the energy needed to flush it away.
    haymarket, do you believe I should be funding your personal responsibility issues, i.e. healthcare, social security? Obama calls for tax hikes and the question is on whom and why?

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    You and I both know that SS has been on budget since the 60's and the surplus in SS has been used and replaced with IOU's that are now basically worthless.
    Really!!!!!!!!!!!

    The full faith and credit of the United States of America means nothing to you?

    The treasury notes held mean nothing to you?

    What kind of American patriot are you anyways?
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