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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The top 400 American earners pay just 16-17% of the income in Federal Income taxes.
    And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    I have to give you props for being honest. Much better than those "conservatives" in this thread who want to increase taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Well, now I am pleasantly surprised. When the Bush tax cuts were made, it did take additional people off the income tax rolls. I thought that was foolhardy. Here is a first, Haymarket and I are in agreement. Which one of us should be afraid?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I think Bush realized that we have a spending problem,
    Is that why bush* increased spending faster than any democratic president before him?
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    you guys have no problem with wealth redistribution in the form of tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.....but you scream and holler any time the table is turned
    GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

    "we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

    "the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

    "the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

    "an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

    "not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

    "the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

    "new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

    "what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

    "this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

    "the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

    "we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

    "what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

    "and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

    "at the heart of this state is business"

    "we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

    "we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

    "westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

    "it has to end, it has to end this year"

    "we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

    "put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

    "we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

    the gub aint just talkin, either

    Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

    and that sophisticated new york audience is going wild

    Andrew Cuomo approval sky-high, new poll suggests - Jennifer Epstein - POLITICO.com

    it's the lay of the land, ladies, the political landscape

    ie, reality

    from athens to sacto, as inevitable as physics, nothing you can do to stop it

    austerity, embrace it

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You're contradicting yourself. Remeber your earlier post please, be consistent.

    1. If they are citizens (They are)
    2. If the tax rates they pay were put in place legally via our democratic process (they were)
    - And they are paying those taxes (the vast majority do, otherwise it's tax evasion...)

    According to your own definition they ARE paying their fair share.
    But now you're claiming they aren NOT paying their fair share.

    Please resolve this so that you actually communicate something meaningful.
    Our tax system is not predicated on people paying their fair share.; it's based on the idea that our tax system should encourage economic growth
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?
    Stop with the stawman arguments. Presidents Reagan and both Bush and his father spent plenty. We were well on our way to solving our debt problem until the Bush tax cuts and his misguided wars.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And more than 65 Million pay nothing. How much are you going to extract from those 400 people to fund your liberal appetite for spending?

    When the top 20% own 84% of our nationís wealth and it is increasing every year.Kinda looks like were fast approaching the point that they are the only ones that have the dough to pay for our wars.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you think a citizens' total tax burden is of no consideration in determining affordability of Federal taxes? That would explain how you think you can get blood from a turnip and why in 2009 one in seven Americans lived in poverty.
    It might well be a consideration but it seems clear you're moving away from the debate concerning Federal taxes into other areas that would belong on another thread.

    Your point that one ion seven Americans live in poverty is interesting because almost one in two don't pay any federal taxes.

    Why this disparity?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Says the thread nanny who commented about Bill Ayers. Not too hypocritical
    In fact it was related to the philosophy of the current President who is running up the unmanageable federal debt, and is destroying the country in a way Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorm could only imagine in their wildest leftists dreams.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    I see. Your OT posts are OK. Others relevant posts are not

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it was related to the philosophy of the current President who is running up the unmanageable federal debt, and is destroying the country in a way Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorm could only imagine in their wildest leftists dreams.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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