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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Nice dodge....I'll ask again Con: Why do you guys keep trying the same failed trickle down policies and expect the results to be different from before? Perhaps you can try answering this time rather than dancing a shuffle.
    Hell I think history shows that the "New/Great Society" philosophy has failed as much as your contention that trickle down has failed. I always hear arguments (not from you per se) that the proof we should abandon the war on drugs is that we have spent decades and billions and still have not won. Well for practically a parallel period of time we have engaged in a war on poverty and spent many times more on programs, yet it still exists.

    Don't get me wrong I support spending for a hand up, but the life long welfare related programs are a fail on a cost benefit basis.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Funny thing.....you guys have no problem with wealth redistribution in the form of tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans.....but you scream and holler any time the table is turned. You guys are so transparent.
    Huh? What are you saying here? The less than "wealthy" got a far bigger chunk of the tax cuts than did the "wealthy." Many Americans were removed from the income tax rolls. That was a 100% tax cut. Did the "wealthy" get 100%. Please explain your thoughts.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    most millionaires are not paying their fair share.
    You're contradicting yourself. Remeber your earlier post please, be consistent.

    1. If they are citizens (They are)
    2. If the tax rates they pay were put in place legally via our democratic process (they were)
    - And they are paying those taxes (the vast majority do, otherwise it's tax evasion...)

    According to your own definition they ARE paying their fair share.
    But now you're claiming they aren NOT paying their fair share.

    Please resolve this so that you actually communicate something meaningful.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Huh? What are you saying here? The less than "wealthy" got a far bigger chunk of the tax cuts than did the "wealthy." Many Americans were removed from the income tax rolls. That was a 100% tax cut. Did the "wealthy" get 100%. Please explain your thoughts.
    Something the liberals will always ignore

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all FIT
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all FIT.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all FIT.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all FIT.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.
    That 47% equates to approximately 65 Million Americans(140 million people employed today times 47%). Great post, many of these people got a 100% reduction in taxes. Sorry for the mistake of 56 million I posted early.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The rich man who clads his progeny in silk diapers with a diamond studded pacifier does a huge disservice to the fop or dandy he produces and raises.
    yup, that's america's primary problem today

    all those silk diapers

    LOL!

    you really got your finger on the pulse

    vote obama, 2012!

    too many diamond studded pacifiers!

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    yup, that's america's primary problem today

    all those silk diapers

    LOL!

    you really got your finger on the pulse

    vote obama, 2012!

    too many diamond studded pacifiers!
    It is indeed one of the problems of America today. America needs strong people who can take initiative and make everything possible of the themselves while contributing to the nation. Some dandy born on third base to a team owned by Daddykins while Mumsy is there to bribe the umpire on close calls foolishly thinks he has hit a home run in life as the fool crosses the plate while the servants are paid to cheer wildly.

    Such people are the opposite of America.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still don't get it

    you have yet to prove your claim

    you cannot prove cause and effect
    If you wish to make that argument, then the cause of President Obama's Stimulus bill was because the stock and bond markets were tanking as a result of the housing bubble bursting and the economy being in free-fall from short-selling on the Dow/NYSE. The effect was a stabalization of U.S. financial markets which stopped unemployment from going above it's high of 10.1% and reduced unemployment to as low as 8.9%. Unemployment is now hovering at or around 9.1-9.3%...has on average over the last 9 months.

    If you really want to play the cause and effect game, there it is.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Something the liberals will always ignore



    That 47% equates to approximately 65 Million Americans(140 million people employed today times 47%). Great post, many of these people got a 100% reduction in taxes. Sorry for the mistake of 56 million I posted early.
    The top 400 American earners pay just 16-17% of the income in Federal Income taxes.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Greenspan has publicly stated that he was wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Take a tour of the graduate departments at any good university and you will see that he's not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Explain if you will.
    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    He seems to think the opinons of grad students means Greenspan never said it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    In many departments, 35-40% of the graduate students come from other countries. We're the third most populous country in the world but our talent pool (especially in math and the hard sciences) is rather small. We outsource our educational opportunities and cross our fingers that these smart, productive, hardworking individuals decide to immigrate (fortunately many do).

    To be fair though, the third world countries where many of these students come from probably don't impose the sort of onerous hardships Catawba described that come with living in the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not following what this has to do with Greenspan's acknowledgement of being wrong.
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    That's good because that's not what you asked me and not what I answered.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ultimately a bad deal.
    LOL!

    like you'd know more about it than the folks running proline, adobe and paypal

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    37% of all us jobs created since the end of the recession, june, 09, are IN TEXAS

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