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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The title of the thread is "Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

    The debate is therefore about federal taxes, not state, municipal, and so on.

    that is a constant bit of dishonesty on this board. they talk about peaches when the issue is only watermelons



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The debt is above $14t, most of it accumulated under republican presidents. "Debt held by the public" is just a portion of the total debt
    No it's well over $60 trillion given all of the unfunded liabilities (most of it accumulated under democrats, if you want to play the partisan game).

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where did I mention designed clothes and many of those you claim are too poor to pay taxes (almost half the country_ do own multiple cars the USA has 779 cars per 1000 people and when you factor out children and those unable to drive (the advanced elderly etc) what does that tell you

    I also note that many wealthy people in places like NYC own no vehicles-my brother is a wealthy professional in Manhattan as is his wife and they own no cars. same with the guy who was best man in my wedding and his wife (my girlfriend in college) they own a penthouse on Central Park and own no cars
    No, you never said anything about designer clothes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The title of the thread is "Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

    The debate is therefore about federal taxes, not state, municipal, and so on.
    So you think a citizens' total tax burden is of no consideration in determining affordability of Federal taxes? That would explain how you think you can get blood from a turnip and why in 2009 one in seven Americans lived in poverty.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income? I realize you are in Kansas but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The title of the thread is "Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

    The debate is therefore about federal taxes, not state, municipal, and so on.
    Says the thread nanny who commented about Bill Ayers. Not too hypocritical
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It depends on what you want to call debt:
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    LOL!!!

    No, it depends on what the debt *is*, and not what you'd like to use in order to mislead
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    several posters noted how dishonest it is for you to shift the conversation to state taxes or social security payments when the taxes that are under consideration for being increased are income taxes on the rich.
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    Read the subject line of this thread. It says nothing about limiting the raises to FIT. In fact, Obama has also offered to lower payroll taxes as part of a deal. The republicans objected to that because they don't want tax reductions; they only want tax reductions for their wealthy overlords
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    several posters noted how dishonest it is for you to shift the conversation to state taxes or social security payments when the taxes that are under consideration for being increased are income taxes on the rich.

    saying that you should not have to pay income taxes because you pay state sales taxes is bogus and dishonest.

    I know the answer but I will ask it anyway

    if someone is unable to pay for their own existence and thus should be a ward of the state what moral right do they have to vote up taxes on others when they pay none themselves?
    I pay a higher percentage rate of total taxes than you do, and I get less services than you do. I can see how you would like to avoid that fact. Too ****ing bad!
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you never said anything about designer clothes
    thanks for admitting you lied

    clothes are not shoes and given your previously almost obsessive fixation with "accuracy" your claim is dishonest



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is a constant bit of dishonesty on this board. they talk about peaches when the issue is only watermelons
    The thread title speaks of "tax hikes". I don't see where there is any limit on what kind of tax hikes.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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