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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-the most prolific anti rich posters on this board post here constantly: two of our most vociferous welfare socialists are averaging about 100 posts a day and are posting most of the day and most of the night.
    LOL-the most prolific anti worker posters on this board post here constantly: two of our most vociferous welfare wingnuts are averaging about 100 posts a day and are posting most of the day and most of the night.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The point is that America was based on progressive values.
    Was it really? That's hard to believe.

    Can quote the Founding Fathers on this?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL-the most prolific anti rich posters on this board post here constantly:
    First off socialism is not "anti rich".
    Second off: So what they are on here a lot? What is your point?

    two of our most vociferous welfare socialists are averaging about 100 posts a day and are posting most of the day and most of the night.
    Cool. Their politics are to the left of yours and they are on here a lot.... Whats your point? Are you saying if you have a computer and you post on here a lot you should not be a socialist or a left leaning individual? Is this your way of reasoning? Because that is some pretty ignorant reasoning.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most millionaires are first generation millionaires. Your rants about the rich display much envy and very little knowledge.

    and claiming the "progressive ideals" that founded this country are akin to taxing the rich more so the recipients of government welfare vote for rich dems is pathetic
    most millionaires are not paying their fair share. Your rants about the working class and the poor display very little knowledge.

    and claiming that welfare is akin to taxing the rich more so the recipients of government welfare vote for dems is pathetic
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    TUrtleDudes knowledge of the poor is even less than his knowledge of economic matters. He thinks the poor have multiple cars and designer clothes.
    where did I mention designed clothes and many of those you claim are too poor to pay taxes (almost half the country_ do own multiple cars the USA has 779 cars per 1000 people and when you factor out children and those unable to drive (the advanced elderly etc) what does that tell you

    I also note that many wealthy people in places like NYC own no vehicles-my brother is a wealthy professional in Manhattan as is his wife and they own no cars. same with the guy who was best man in my wedding and his wife (my girlfriend in college) they own a penthouse on Central Park and own no cars

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where did I mention designed clothes and many of those you claim are too poor to pay taxes
    Well you kinda used that sort of reasoning here: "LOL-the most prolific anti rich posters on this board post here constantly: two of our most vociferous welfare socialists are averaging about 100 posts a day and are posting most of the day and most of the night."


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another lie-an article you posted several weeks ago from a woman in the NYT mentioned those making between 1-5 million a year paid the highest effective federal income tax rate
    Do you think no one ever notices how you exclude all taxes but the Federal income taxes?

    "Due to the regressive nature of total payroll taxes the superrich are paying a total tax rate lower than all those who make more than $20,000. The superrich pay roughly the same tax rate as the poor. The rest of us pay more!

    Initially, we thought we were asking, "Is it fair for the poor to pay nothing, while the rich pay 27%?" but now that we account for all the payroll taxes, the question becomes, "Is it fair to demand over 25% from the middle class, while the superrich pay less than 25%?" We also now ask, "How many people are being pushed into poverty by the high tax rate placed on the lower wage earners?" Our fear of impoverishing people through taxation has led us to lower taxes on those who are not even at risk of falling to middle class through taxation, while keeping taxes on the lower income families high enough to push them towards, even into, poverty. "
    Payroll Taxes & Tax Fairness
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you think no one ever notices how you exclude all taxes but the Federal income taxes?

    "Due to the regressive nature of total payroll taxes the superrich are paying a total tax rate lower than all those who make more than $20,000. The superrich pay roughly the same tax rate as the poor. The rest of us pay more!

    Initially, we thought we were asking, "Is it fair for the poor to pay nothing, while the rich pay 27%?" but now that we account for all the payroll taxes, the question becomes, "Is it fair to demand over 25% from the middle class, while the superrich pay less than 25%?" We also now ask, "How many people are being pushed into poverty by the high tax rate placed on the lower wage earners?" Our fear of impoverishing people through taxation has led us to lower taxes on those who are not even at risk of falling to middle class through taxation, while keeping taxes on the lower income families high enough to push them towards, even into, poverty. "
    Payroll Taxes & Tax Fairness
    The title of the thread is "Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes".

    The debate is therefore about federal taxes, not state, municipal, and so on.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what was America's total natonal debt on January 21st, 2009?
    It depends on what you want to call debt:
    1. The number is 6.3 trillion if you're talking about current obligations.
    2. That jumps to over 10 trillion if you include the so-called "trust funds" for Social Security and Medicare, which of course are empty. These are future debt obligations and at best represent money collected by payroll taxes that was spent on other things.
    3. The real number is over 60 trillion when you count the unfunded liabilities politicians have promised and we cannot afford to pay.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you think no one ever notices how you exclude all taxes but the Federal income taxes?

    "Due to the regressive nature of total payroll taxes the superrich are paying a total tax rate lower than all those who make more than $20,000. The superrich pay roughly the same tax rate as the poor. The rest of us pay more!

    Initially, we thought we were asking, "Is it fair for the poor to pay nothing, while the rich pay 27%?" but now that we account for all the payroll taxes, the question becomes, "Is it fair to demand over 25% from the middle class, while the superrich pay less than 25%?" We also now ask, "How many people are being pushed into poverty by the high tax rate placed on the lower wage earners?" Our fear of impoverishing people through taxation has led us to lower taxes on those who are not even at risk of falling to middle class through taxation, while keeping taxes on the lower income families high enough to push them towards, even into, poverty. "
    Payroll Taxes & Tax Fairness
    several posters noted how dishonest it is for you to shift the conversation to state taxes or social security payments when the taxes that are under consideration for being increased are income taxes on the rich.

    saying that you should not have to pay income taxes because you pay state sales taxes is bogus and dishonest.

    I know the answer but I will ask it anyway

    if someone is unable to pay for their own existence and thus should be a ward of the state what moral right do they have to vote up taxes on others when they pay none themselves?



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