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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income?
    I believe a few do. But i believe the vast majority do not...



    I realize you are in Kansas
    I dont live in a farm or rural area i live in the City areas.

    but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton
    Yes. Wichita, Hutchinson, KC/Wynadotte, and much rural areas as well...

    and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
    I agree crime and whatnot is a problem with are ****ed up tax system but do i agree but we can argue this all along about how we got here but that is a whole different story but i would say that the vast majority are struggling families who would much rather get out of here. And i always wonder about if 47% didnt pay any income tax there has to be at least one person on here that didnt pay an income tax, you should please share how you "broke the system" if that is the problem...

    PS TurtleDude im still waiting on your reply about the estate ("death" ) tax on here http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1059661440

    Just interested ya dig?


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, those would be the ones that extra expenditures would throw into welfare. I prefer people working and paying all their other taxes than placing them on welfare, but that's just me.

    And those with high incomes are paying a smaller effective tax than the working class. What is your point.
    another lie-an article you posted several weeks ago from a woman in the NYT mentioned those making between 1-5 million a year paid the highest effective federal income tax rate



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is silly is the context. for example in a trade meeting involving manufacturers of paper products "Kleenex" has a specific meaning relating to a specific brand. In a hotel room asking the maid to take a box of kleenex to a guest's room means something else. If you sell office equipment telling your orders clerk to get four xerox machines is very different than me telling my secretary to xerox an extra copy of the plaintiff's motion before I go to court. we use a different brand copier (I cannot recall) but everyone knows what it means to "xerox" something
    You've become so befuddled, you think we're talking about Kleenex?

    No wonder the rightwingers can't balance a budget
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you believe that none or even a few of the 47% who pay no income taxes or the 60% or so who are getting back more from the federal government than they pay in have no disposable income? I realize you are in Kansas but you must have some depressed urban areas like we do in Cincinnati and Dayton and I have spent enough time in section 8 housing interviewing witnesses to see lots of "unnecessary stuff such as wide screen tv's multiple cars, cell phones, 160 dollar designer athletic shoes (worn by people whose only athletic endeavors involve outrunning store security) etc
    They don't have enough disposable income to pay taxes. And anyone who thinks the poor have multiple cars and designer clothes is either delusional, or thinks that any black person with those things don't pay taxes.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You've become so befuddled, you think we're talking about Kleenex?

    No wonder the rightwingers can't balance a budget
    another stupid post that ignores a point anyone with a room temperature IQ understands



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more stupidity. where has anyone of the right stated they hated the working class. If anyone is despised by the right its those who are the non-working class who expect others to fund their existence.
    You should re-read your own posts. Your post are larded with derogations of the working class
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They don't have enough disposable income to pay taxes. And anyone who thinks the poor have multiple cars and designer clothes is either delusional, or thinks that any black person with those things don't pay taxes.
    if you can buy a cell phone a tv set or a car you have enough disposable income to pay at least some FIT

    the funny bit is you are put in the position of claiming 47% of the population has no disposable income which is a bald faced lie



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and no one was sucking up the wealth of others as redistributed by the government. That you missed that fact is not surprising. the point was America was not based on a society where almost half of the population was sucking on the public tit
    And we had slaves too. And they were not on the public tit. I just visited Monticello. It would be so neat to live back then if I was T. Jefferson. I bet you think so too.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    you are not being factual. many of those who are not paying federal income taxes have no disposable income
    Really?

    What's the stats on this?

    It seems there are a great many people disposing of their income quite regularly. Check out the fast food outlets, the bars and where the druggies operate.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and no one was sucking up the wealth of others as redistributed by the government. That you missed that fact is not surprising. the point was America was not based on a society where almost half of the population was sucking on the public tit
    The wealthy are the biggest beneficiary of rightwing income redistribution. The point is that America was based on progressive values, and our economy was financed by a progressive tax system.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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