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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Changing someone elses post does rank right up there with labeling a president a Marxist.
    I can see that at some point I will have to walk you through the reasons why I believe the president's core values are Marxist. My believe stems from my experiences in the Army as a military intelligence officer. During the 1980s I spent a great deal of my time reading Marx and Engels. Marx had a theory but he had no real world experiences. I moved on to Marxism-Leninism. This was the embodiment and an extension of Marx's pernicious theory, applied in a real place with real (tragic) consequences. Given that Mao Tse-tung (sometimes spelled Zedong) was also very influential I read what I could of his writings as well.

    Does the label fit the one term president perfectly? No. No label could. Especially not a label from such an old, outdated, economic and political theory. But deep down inside the one term president's belief system are the central tenets of the Marxist himself. Marxists, and the democratic party, are absolutely wedded to the concept of classes. They use agitation and propaganda to keep class warfare alive. The one term president was an agitator before he was the president. He continues to agitate today, doesn't he?

    The one term president is conspiratorial. He lies constantly about nearly everything. He conceals what should be public.

    The one term president believes he has a mission to redistribute the nation's wealth from the people who have earned it to the people likely to vote for him. This is also Marxist.

    And then there all of those associations with Marxists, communists and socialists all throughout his life.

    I will find some time to pull all of this together. I believe I have a day off coming up.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    Sure they'll move their companies to other countries, and are doing so. As well, they're moving too. I meet them regularly.

    It happened to the UK, it happened in Canada and now it's happening in the States. It's been going on since taxes were invented.

    Maybe that should be taught in schools.
    And none of those companies cite taxes as the reason why they outsourced. They do it because they can get cheap labor.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda or rants that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example, tax cuts do cause deficits. and its republican spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is blame the middle class for being parasites. Its the stupidity and corruption of rightwingers that causes the deficits
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    constantly spewing a stockpile of propaganda or rants that prove nothing and then are cited dishonestly to say they prove your point is rather worthless. I don't believe the stuff you post is either objective or necessarily objective. For example, tax cuts do cause deficits. and its republican spending that causes deficits. The best you can do is blame the middle class for being parasites. Its the stupidity and corruption of rightwingers that causes the deficits

    when you say tax cuts cause deficits rather than spending you pretty much have left the realm of reality



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The figure refers to debt held by the public. Obama inherited 6.3 trillion:
    https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/vie...e=09012000.pdf
    what was America's total natonal debt on January 21st, 2009?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are those who feel the money they earn should be theirs, and any unreasonable demands by government will either discourage them from earning more, or they will leave for a more friendly environment. At one time that friendly environment used to be the United States.
    When they can earn their money without using public resources like our roads, electricity, the post office, water, the internet, etc, then they can keep it all. Until then, we're taking our cut.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when you say tax cuts cause deficits rather than spending you pretty much have left the realm of reality
    tax-cuts without an equal amount in spending cuts, means a higher deficit.

    its simple logic.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    how does someone who inherits money not pay any taxes? are you saying they just take a lump sum of money (that was subjected to confiscatory death taxes) and do nothing but spend it? so what. how does that hurt you?
    It goes against the idea that in America, you are what you make yourself - not what Daddykins and Mumsy bestowed upon you. And that hurts America.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's the Houses' responsibility to pass a budget, and not just any budget. They have to pass one that has a chance of geting through the Senate.
    The Democrats had the Presidency, the Senate and the Congress for TWO years and failed to pass a budget. Obama proposed his own goofy budget and it was defeated 97-0.

    You want Republicans to pass a budget? Vote for them in the next election.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Many believe that the rich and corporations exist to fund the needs of others and when a corporation or a wealthy person moves away to avoid being looted, the parasites and their panderers claim that such a movement is "betrayal"

    that is one reason why the left abhors states rights and want a huge federal government-if welfare and other handouts were left to the states as the founders intended, any state that became too greedy would quickly go bankrupt as the wealthy would leave as the dependents and welfare addicts would swarm in.

    it would keep any one or a few states from becoming too generous to the non-producers and too hostile to the earners. the left despises such a system and wants the federal government to impose redistribution nationally
    Many believe that the middle class exists to service the needs of corporations and the wealthy. Threats from the wealthy to move away to avoid paying their fair share are empty and should be mocked because the wealthy parasites and their panderers are cowards and have no intention of carrying through with the threats

    that is one reason why the right loves states rights and want a huge federal government-if welfare and other handouts were left to the people as the founders intended, any rightwinger that became too greedy would quickly be hung fo treason and the wealthy would quake.

    it would keep any one or a few states from becoming too greedy to the wealthy non-producers and too hostile to the workers. the right despises such a system and wants their corporate overlords to impose redistribution nationally
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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