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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if you would have paid attention to anything i have posted, you wouldnt have asked that question, i support spending cuts, i have said several times that there can be no sacred cows, and that EVERYTHING needs to be on the table, i have also stated that tax increases need to be part of the solution. and please spare me the spiel of how you are taxed to much.
    so why are the dems unwilling to start with cuts?

    You see I think dems need to keep spending and spending and spending to keep people like you voting for them.

    why should we enable them to spend more by supposedly giving them more money to waste until those asses can prove they can go on a massive diet?



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Deficit spending has zero to do with revenue income. And certain;y nothing to do with compromise.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so why are the dems unwilling to start with cuts?

    You see I think dems need to keep spending and spending and spending to keep people like you voting for them.

    why should we enable them to spend more by supposedly giving them more money to waste until those asses can prove they can go on a massive diet?
    yeah, i know what you think, and i really don't care...all you are concerned about is YOU...move along, dismissed.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The American people voted for the GOP in November based upon their no new tax pledges.
    BS. They voted for them because they claimed that they would focus on jobs and the economy. As anybody can see, they have done nothing of the sort. All they've done so far is focus on abortion and gays, and as far as the economy is concerned, they've only made investors and employers feel more uncertain because of the GOP's unwillingness to negotiate with Dems on the budget and the debt ceiling, which actually risks making the economy worse.


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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've not seen that suggested, have you? Geithner would have a conniption if the Dems proposed this.
    No, that's part of the "raising taxes" thing the Republicans are going on about. In the end, the system is still broken. We're still at over 9% unemployment. We gave a bunch of our money to the banks and wall street, but it seems that as soon as they were taken care of, the government stopped caring about getting out changes which would help the rest of us. Essentially the economic recovery (and everything leading up to the collapse) is the exact opposite of the way a government working FOR the people would have operated.

    It's time to get past the partisan bickering and work on a solution for the whole of us. And part of that is trying to get our debt back in control. Which at this point will entail both spending cuts and tax raises. We allowed the government to operate in this frivolous mode, it's time to pay the piper. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Continued malarkey.

    Obama said the savings identified by the Biden group would yield about $1.5 trillion, not enough to raise the debt ceiling beyond the 2012 elections and meet Boehner’s requirement that deficits be cut by a higher amount than the borrowing limit is raised.

    What’s more, Obama said no Democrat would be willing to sign on to a plan that cuts $1.5 trillion but doesn’t require any concessions from Republicans.
    Obama on Monday said he and other, wealthier taxpayers should be asked to contribute to a package reducing the deficit to ensure pain does not fall only on the middle class and poor.

    “I do not want, and I will not accept, a deal in which I am asked to do nothing — in fact, I’m able to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in additional income that I don’t need — while a parent out there who’s struggling to figure out how to send their kid to college suddenly finds that they’ve got a couple thousand dollars less in grants or student loans,” Obama said.
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...gop-trade-jabs
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that sounds good an appeals to class envy and those who don't have the wherewithall to make investments but when you strip away the BS its just plain stupid to jack up taxes on long term capital gains
    Why? Why is their income taxed less than mine just because they got the ear of Congress and are able to protect their tax loopholes? Income is income. If we have an income tax (which we do), then all income must be treated the same. Why should some people, who have better ability to affect Congress and get what they want through it, be able to pay less overall tax rates then everyone else? Income is income, that's it. You gonna tax me, then you're gonna get taxed too.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    and the democrats shouldnt agree to anything without the republicans coughing up major concessions

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    yeah, i know what you think, and i really don't care...all you are concerned about is YOU...move along, dismissed.
    much bitterness I see in you. Sadly for you its the unions that are being dismissed left and right

    the sooner we kill them off the better for America.

    so why are your dem masters unwilling just to cut stuff?



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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why? Why is their income taxed less than mine just because they got the ear of Congress and are able to protect their tax loopholes? Income is income. If we have an income tax (which we do), then all income must be treated the same. Why should some people, who have better ability to affect Congress and get what they want through it, be able to pay less overall tax rates then everyone else? Income is income, that's it. You gonna tax me, then you're gonna get taxed too.
    you confuse your populist sense of fairness with economic reality. the rich pay higher taxes on every type of income than you do

    so if you are so hell bent on what you call fairness how about you pay the same rates I do?



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