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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If you haven't noticed....the party of NO has been suggesting that the main cuts be to medicare, social security and medicaid, and have fought against the wealthy shouldering ANY of the burden. In other words, finance it on the backs of the poorest and the elderly....just protect the weatlhy from having to pay for any of it.
    In fact "the wealthy" are already paying their share and more.

    Who Pays the Most Income Tax?

    The "poorest and the needy" , which would seem to be almost 50% of the population, don't pay any federal taxes at all.

    Going after 'the wealthiest" might work for a little while but money and people can cross borders easily enough and that's just what's happening. Companies can just leave, which is what they are doing, and then Americans will complain about that.

    Unless taxation is fairly distributed people will just leave and 'the wealthy' who remain will eventually just run out of money. Then where will "the poorest and the needy" go?

    In fact America prospered without these programs for a couple of centuries, and were in an international class of their own. Now they cant survive without the government looking after them.

    What happened?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. SS has run a surplus in nearly every year in the last several decades. That surplus is used to reduce the budget deficit
    Did Barrack Obama lie again?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    They are. They need to give up the lie this time and do the right thing.
    It has been my experience that when a dispute cannot be resolved, it is not solely one entities fault. The Dems and the Repubs are both not willing to compromise. However, this doesn't mean that one party may not be being more stubborn than the other. Regardless of lies etc., they need to reach a solution, perhaps no solution is there solution right now. I kind of see politicians as misbehaving kids who can't learn to play nice.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact "the wealthy" are already paying their share and more.

    Who Pays the Most Income Tax?

    The "poorest and the needy" , which would seem to be almost 50% of the population, don't pay any federal taxes at all.

    Going after 'the wealthiest" might work for a little while but money and people can cross borders easily enough and that's just what's happening. Companies can just leave, which is what they are doing, and then Americans will complain about that.

    Unless taxation is fairly distributed people will just leave and 'the wealthy' who remain will eventually just run out of money. Then where will "the poorest and the needy" go?

    In fact America prospered without these programs for a couple of centuries, and were in an international class of their own. Now they cant survive without the government looking after them.

    What happened?
    This is definitely a morbid thought .. and a reason why some other countries likely started disallowing people to leave their country. Greedy people will always try to find ways to exploit others and if that means moving to another immoral country, they'll likely do it.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact "the wealthy" are already paying their share and more.

    Who Pays the Most Income Tax?

    The "poorest and the needy" , which would seem to be almost 50% of the population, don't pay any federal taxes at all.

    Going after 'the wealthiest" might work for a little while but money and people can cross borders easily enough and that's just what's happening. Companies can just leave, which is what they are doing, and then Americans will complain about that.

    Unless taxation is fairly distributed people will just leave and 'the wealthy' who remain will eventually just run out of money. Then where will "the poorest and the needy" go?

    In fact America prospered without these programs for a couple of centuries, and were in an international class of their own. Now they cant survive without the government looking after them.

    What happened?
    No. In fact "the wealthy" are paying a lower effective tax rate than the middle class.

    The "poorest and the needy" , which would seem to be almost 50% of the population, don't pay any federal taxes at all because they don't make enough income. The wealthy, who earn the lions' share of the money in our economy, think the middle class should shoulder the entire burden of keeping our economy going

    Going after 'the wealthiest" will work, because where else will they go? They won't go to other nations because their taxes are higher than the US. Unless taxation is fairly distributed jobs will just leave and 'the wealthy' who remain will eventually own everything

    In fact America suffered without these programs for a couple of centuries, and were in underdeveloped backwater without them. The rich cant survive without the government looking after them.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    It has been my experience that when a dispute cannot be resolved, it is not solely one entities fault. The Dems and the Repubs are both not willing to compromise. However, this doesn't mean that one party may not be being more stubborn than the other. Regardless of lies etc., they need to reach a solution, perhaps no solution is there solution right now. I kind of see politicians as misbehaving kids who can't learn to play nice.
    Politicians will only behave responsibly when those who elect them do the same.

    If presenting budgets is not important to the electorate, much less balancing them, then the politicians will not bother with the controversies which might occur, and ignore budgets altogether. The people are now just getting what they voted for and cannot not have expected anything different. If they repeat their error in the next Presidential election, despite knowing what they know now, then they will again get what they deserve.

    Fool me once...etc.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    This is definitely a morbid thought .. and a reason why some other countries likely started disallowing people to leave their country. Greedy people will always try to find ways to exploit others and if that means moving to another immoral country, they'll likely do it.
    And the rightwing wants to pay the extortionists. I say let them leave. We can nationalize the traitors assets and sell them to the highest bidder. Let the rich move to the low tax nation of Afghanistan.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No. In fact "the wealthy" are paying a lower effective tax rate than the middle class.
    A lower "effective" tax rate?

    That is a meaningless term.

    Of course businesses and people will go elsewhere if the taxes are too high, just as they have been doing for many years now.

    Haven't you heard?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the rightwing wants to pay the extortionists. I say let them leave. We can nationalize the traitors assets and sell them to the highest bidder. Let the rich move to the low tax nation of Afghanistan.
    Why not put up a concrete wall so they can't escape? Perhaps have a few armed guards watching. with orders to shoot to kill, in case any of 'the rich' try to leave.

    That should work.

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