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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Well, we know that Democrats have lied and that is easily proven. We know you do not object to it and that's all we need to know.
    Read my lips!! All politicians lie

    Only the hyper partisans would try to deny it
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Greed is what makes makes the world go round. What you view it as a selfish filter of rightwing ideology, is actually taking the scientific approach to economics (to the extent such a thing is possible).

    Have you ever seen the movie Wall Street? Human greed is, at least, reliable.
    Nothing you have said in that post refutes anything that I said. I'm not sure why you're responding to a post of mine when you don't seem to disagree with anything I said in it.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

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    Of course a little context never hurts:
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Greed is what makes makes the world go round. What you view it as a selfish filter of rightwing ideology, is actually taking the scientific approach to economics (to the extent such a thing is possible).

    Have you ever seen the movie Wall Street? Human greed is, at least, reliable.
    I agree, human greed is natural, its instinctual to hoard and predictable. However, unlike other animals, I believe we are trying to use the energy that greed can provide to accomplish things, while guiding it in more altruistic directions. If greed is predictable, there's no reason we can't treat it like a horse, break it/tame it and use it for the greater good. I also believe that greed exists at different levels in different people, which is why we have the ability to step back, look at the negative consequences of greed and try to harness it.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Everyone who acts in a self-interested way may be described, loosely, as greedy. Economists often make use of this sort of loose language. A person who who is content with what they have is still "greedy" for that which they have and take contentment in. Everyone who acts to fulfill their self interest is doing so for a self-interested motivation, and acts to fulfill that as best they can. It's the most predictable human behavior, and it's why we have the law of supply and demand.

    One might have a high net worth or a low net worth. One might have noble motives, such as a charity, or one might have base and avaricious motives, such as living in opulence. But all are essentially "greedy."
    That's so loose, it no longer has meaning. To attribute the word "greedy" to an action, and to separate it from normal behavior, requires that it be unreasonable or excessive. But that doesn't address my point really. Everyone trying to screw over everyone else is a terrible system. That's the system that brought us the Dark Ages, where might made right, and military oppression was law. The free market doesn't work, and never has. People find ways to cheat, to use underhanded and immoral tactics, and sometimes straight up murder the competition. A completely free market, or even one free enough to achieve the aims you want it to aim, is completely impossible. It requires, instead of written, enforced rules, a set of unspoken rules that everyone follows by choice. The last several thousand years of history show us that without enforced rules, people don't follow them.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Of course a little context never hurts:
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    So you're saying that the dems support smaller tax cuts?

    I'll add that to The List of Things Everybody Knows

    Thanks for your contribution
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Read my lips!! All politicians lie

    Only the hyper partisans would try to deny it
    Yes, all politicians lie, how could they not? They are humans after all. As a student of psychology, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't been dishonest at some point in their life .. people who think otherwise would likely be considered delusional by most of those in the human sciences fields.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I agree, human greed is natural, its instinctual to hoard and predictable. However, unlike other animals, I believe we are trying to use the energy that greed can provide to accomplish things, while guiding it in more altruistic directions. If greed is predictable, there's no reason we can't treat it like a horse, break it/tame it and use it for the greater good. I also believe that greed exists at different levels in different people, which is why we have the ability to step back, look at the negative consequences of greed and try to harness it.
    Rape and murder are based on human nature, but since we are humans, we can rise above our animal instincts.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    It is a lie to say that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy caused the deficit. Here are the actual facts:

    Following is a breakdown on some of the key measures and their costs, based on revenue estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation, unless otherwise noted.

    Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion. The package would extend the Bush tax cuts for everyone for two years.

    The bulk of that cost -- $463 billion -- is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax.

    The rest -- $81.5 billion -- is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.

    The cost of extending all the tax cuts over 10 years would have been $3.7 trillion.


    Source: Bush tax cut deal and surprise stimulus - what they cost - Dec. 7, 2010

    As you can see, if the Bush tax cuts increased the deficit, the increase came primarily from tax cuts for the non-"wealthy." As you can see, I have chosen a highly conservative news organization for my numbers. NOT!

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    is the trickle smelling like urine?
    those who serve as lackies for the rich are masters of self delusion...
    and those who constantly whine about the rich are really pissing on themselves with the urine of defeat. Populist rantings are useless-why not tell us what your alternative to the alleged trickle down system is



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