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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are programs for the poorest already, as well as many volunteer agencies and they've been around for generations now.

    Where's the problem?
    If you haven't noticed....the party of NO has been suggesting that the main cuts be to medicare, social security and medicaid, and have fought against the wealthy shouldering ANY of the burden. In other words, finance it on the backs of the poorest and the elderly....just protect the weatlhy from having to pay for any of it.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No YOU'RE misreading. Saying there is no evidence of a negative influence of taxes on the economy -- especially using your reasoning -- is burying your head in the sand, not unlike those who could see no evidence that smoking was a health risk.

    Fortunately, the vast majority of economists disagree with you. Even Obama disagrees with you.

    From today's New York Times:

    Of course, Obama realizes this too, but his desire to raise taxes is driven more by his desire to punish the rich (i.e. "fairness") than reduce the deficit.
    Obama may agree with this, but the facts disagree

    States That Cut The Most Funding Lost The Most Jobs: Analysis

    states that cut the most funding lost the most jobs. And according to the site, in fact, the country is split pretty evenly between the 24 states that cut spending between 2007 and 2010, and the 25 that expanded government outlays.

    On average, states that increased spending performed significantly better than cost-cutting states, with their unemployment rates actually dropping by 0.2 percent (as opposed to 1 percent increase in cost-cutting states), private-sector employment increasing by 1.4 percent (as opposed to a 2.1 percent loss) and 0.5 percent "real economic growth" since the start of the recession (as compared to a 2.9 percent economic contraction relative to the national economic trend).
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the republican boobs keep falling for it

    No wonder they can't run an economy; they can only ruin it
    I believe it was you that I previously told was that I would rather be dumb that be a dishonest liar. And you prefer the latter. Thwppppppppt!

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Maybe you should draw picture.

    Good idea, many of the far right persuasion think our debt just came about during the last 2 and a half years. Most of those also were for our two unfunded ME wars and tax cuts for the wealthy.
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who caused the bleeding in the first place?
    The republicans and their corporate sponsors

    The rich are being greedy, always wanting more. They can't compete with the avg working american on a level playing field, so they want the govt to subsidize their thievery
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's not even a little bit true. Everyone is not "equally greedy". Many are content with what they have, or at least close to what they have. Very few must have it all. And even fewer are willing to do what is required to have it all. You are aware of the term "corruption" right? That is when someone's greed causes them to do things they would not otherwise do. Many people do not succumb to corruption, because they are not as greedy. Greed is not equally distributed, and it boggles my mind to hear religious people, especially Christians to whom greed is a major sin, defend it. It is ignorance and folly to think that we are all equivalent in our willingness to sacrifice the good of others for our own gain, and even stupider to think that somehow it will all balance out if we just let everyone tear into each other.
    Everyone who acts in a self-interested way may be described, loosely, as greedy. Economists often make use of this sort of loose language. A person who who is content with what they have is still "greedy" for that which they have and take contentment in. Everyone who acts to fulfill their self interest is doing so for a self-interested motivation, and acts to fulfill that as best they can. It's the most predictable human behavior, and it's why we have the law of supply and demand.

    One might have a high net worth or a low net worth. One might have noble motives, such as a charity, or one might have base and avaricious motives, such as living in opulence. But all are essentially "greedy."

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Here is a clue Oso, The economy is going down because of all the spending by republicans
    Fixed that for ya!
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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And the republican boobs keep falling for it

    No wonder they can't run an economy; they can only ruin it
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    Done



    This chart is BS. In aggregate, how much of the tax cuts went to the "wealthy" and how much went to all others. I just need two numbers. Can you provide them?

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If someone agrees to live in the US, they are subject to our taxes. They pay what we decide they pay. Nothing is clearer than that. The well to do have to pay their fair share. Their desire to have everything and then some is selfish and unamerican
    You are now cornered into the weakest of fall-back arguments. You lost.

    By your reasoning if:

    1. If majority votes for a specific tax rate
    2. If you are a U.S. citizen
    Then, what you pay is termed "your fair share" by sangha.

    So 100% taxes could be considered a fair share...but this brilliant reasoning. Obviously absurd.

    Or try the reverse for grins. If corporations actually ruled the congress and was able via propoganda to get a majority to pass 0% taxes for the ultra wealthy, and 100% taxes for the middle class, that would be, according to your reasoning, a "fair share".

    I can't believe this is what your argument rests on. I mean, I know you probably can't justify taxes any other way, but at least try. The idea that "might makes right" is so unbecoming.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Fixed that for ya!


    have the updated chart showing 2008-2011 yet?
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