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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You'd be hard pressed to show much of any effect taxes have on growth either way. Theory is one thing, actual evidence another.
    So you're saying we should forget theory, cross our fingers, and hope for the best in the midst of an anemic economy and historic debt crisis.

    Noted.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So you're saying we should forget theory, cross our fingers, and hope for the best in the midst of an anemic economy and historic debt crisis.

    Noted.
    It's better than forgetting about reality so you can put words in other peoples' mouth

    So how many hole digging jobs have you created? Maybe you should quit digging.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    increased. govt. funding for infrastructure projects, creates jobs. LOTS of jobs.

    building a new highway, bridge, tunnel, sewers, seawall, ect etc...means many more people are hired.
    Obama: "No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Projects" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nobody?
    If you have someone to name and some proof, I'm all eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Sure, and nobody has said that raising taxes prevents eco growth
    "Prevent" growth is not the same as "hurt" growth.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only class warfare going on is the rights war against the middle class. The left just wants the rich to pay their fair share.
    I am not a right winger but am tired of the type of thinking expressed above. Would you care to define what you consider rich, then what you consider "fair share". Remember that taxes on upper bracket people are already legislated to rise about 4% in 2013 and other 4-5% as part of health care legislation in 2014. So that would being the top Federal rate to about 45%. On top of that state taxes in many places have risen this year with the top rate at about 8-10% for many. As we are looking at 10 year deficit plans it is probably fair to start with a top rate of 45% and say that is unfair and needs to be raised to X%.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    37% of all united states jobs created since the end of the recession in june, two thousand nine, are IN TEXAS

    Some 37% of all net new American jobs since the recovery began were created in Texas.

    Using Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data, Dallas Fed economists looked at state-by-state employment changes since June 2009, when the recession ended. Texas added 265,300 net jobs, out of the 722,200 nationwide, and by far outpaced every other state. New York was second with 98,200, Pennsylvania added 93,000, and it falls off from there. Nine states created fewer than 10,000 jobs, while Maine, Hawaii, Delaware and Wyoming created fewer than 1,000. Eighteen states have lost jobs since the recovery began.
    Review & Outlook: The Lone Star Jobs Surge - WSJ.com

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's better than forgetting about reality so you can put words in other peoples' mouth

    So how many hole digging jobs have you created? Maybe you should quit digging.
    I've got one for you anytime you need it. I'll even allow you to work from home.

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    If you have someone to name and some proof, I'm all eyes.


    "Prevent" growth is not the same as "hurt" growth.
    I posted several links to people, all rightwingers, saying that tax increases prevent growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I am not a right winger but am tired of the type of thinking expressed above. Would you care to define what you consider rich, then what you consider "fair share". Remember that taxes on upper bracket people are already legislated to rise about 4% in 2013 and other 4-5% as part of health care legislation in 2014. So that would being the top Federal rate to about 45%. On top of that state taxes in many places have risen this year with the top rate at about 8-10% for many. As we are looking at 10 year deficit plans it is probably fair to start with a top rate of 45% and say that is unfair and needs to be raised to X%.
    Taxes are not legislated to go up in 2013. The legislation that makes them go down expires in 2013. And the HCR bill contains no new income taxes. And I don't believe that "many places" are raising state income taxes.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama: No Deal Without Tax Hikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I've got one for you anytime you need it. I'll even allow you to work from home.
    I can see why you don't want to answer the question I actually asked.

    So how many hole digging jobs have you created?
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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